It's kind of depressing that lgbt spaces here are empty because there's been no attempts to reach out/ reconcile with the existing trans community in chapo or any of their concerns, but there's a big ol post on main weaponizing lgbt identity against china which actually recently took a great stride in providing legal protection for trans comrades seeking medical transition. And with a prominent post in this very community being a cis person questioning the need of affirming pronouns for comrades across the gender spectrum. It's more than ok to pose these questions but it raises the issue of what the priority is in affirmatively making sure there is a space here in chapo for our queer comrades to have a home, vs being a home for cis comrades to affirm their own perceived tolerance.
yeah I agree saying you're weaponizing your identity is fucked up on OPs part
Yeah like I can’t ask why some of my rights wouldn’t be recognized without it supposedly being weaponization, that’s bizarre. The implication here is that any question about any flaws in the allocation human rights in China is a direct attack- that says a lot.
I guess I’m just supposed to shut up and keep my mouth closed and accept it and never ask any questions about our supposedly best example of communism standing today, and never criticize anything from my own expert and perspective.
Like maybe some places that are a tankie wet dream for cis straight dudes may not be a bastion of paradise for everyone else... just a thought
Isn't that what you're asking from me when you attack me for providing input?
I’m asking you to not describe my post as weaponizing my identity and use it as a base to explain why trans people are not participating in the lemmy, for simply asking a legitimate question about China.
I'm simply describing the material relations as I understood them. I think it's more than fair for me to raise my perspective without having to be met with hostility
so shouldn't you give that same respect to TheDeed?
There's a clear difference between raising a concern, and coming into my thread and telling me to fuck off, yeah?
There's no concern to be raised though, and if there was to you then you could have found any way to say it that didn't specifically make it seem like TheDeed was attacking china or that they are just trying to make them look bad with western propaganda. Because they weren't. As a bisexual person myself this is kind of a concern with me and it was nice to see someone raise the question. Seeing the gross backlash to that isn't a good look for this community.
I mean I had a concern, and I raised it. Why is my perspective as a trans person not supposed to be considered in this?
I get your concern, and I can't really discuss your other concerns because I am cis but that post was just one person asking about gay marriage in china, a country vehemently defended by a significant portion of this community (I have no opinion on the matter). It was a fair question and there was no "weaponization" of any sort. It's ok to be concerned but blowing it out of proportion and treating it as a "weaponization" just isn't fair.
For what it's worth I was trying to address the structure of the site more than the indiviual post of TheDeed - were the only prominent lgbt post is one were criticism is being (materially) leveraged against china. Despite a lot of trans comrades having pro/neutral to china positions.
mate.. I get that, but give the community more than a week and it will grow. And also I think this community would be better if any perceived comment/post against china wasn't considered an attack on china. It's a very nuanced subject that a lot of people feel strongly about, and I think that at this point it's gotten a bit out of hand. The fact that a straight up question about why gay marriage isn't legal is taken as being a critical post leveraged against china causing many to become rude and disrespectful. If that truely is the general consensus of the chapo trans community then it will show over time. This site is just getting started and people know that. Nobody is going to come here and get the complete wrong idea because of TheDeed's post. It's going to be fine.
Am I not supposed to raise my own opinions on the matter, because that's all I've done?
all I'm saying is try not to make it like op was attacking china. The post wasn't an attack on china.
well that's why I'm stressing the material effect of the post and not its intention.
Identity gets weaponized all the time. How is it fucked up to raise the concern? They literally just did it now saying that they were trans to defend their point.
Asking about my rights or lack thereof is not a weaponization of my identity. Bottom line.
I'm talking on the material effect. Not your intent.