It's kind of depressing that lgbt spaces here are empty because there's been no attempts to reach out/ reconcile with the existing trans community in chapo or any of their concerns, but there's a big ol post on main weaponizing lgbt identity against china which actually recently took a great stride in providing legal protection for trans comrades seeking medical transition. And with a prominent post in this very community being a cis person questioning the need of affirming pronouns for comrades across the gender spectrum. It's more than ok to pose these questions but it raises the issue of what the priority is in affirmatively making sure there is a space here in chapo for our queer comrades to have a home, vs being a home for cis comrades to affirm their own perceived tolerance.

  • MrsPacMan [none/use name]
    15·
    4 years ago

    I'm sure Charlotte Clymer means well, too. I'm talking more on the material effect of your post. China literally just put in material protections for trans comrades seeking medical transition. It may be a legitimate question but the way it was posed is materially not much different from state propaganda. You know the U.S literally just granted marriage protections itself right?

    • TheDeed [he/him, comrade/them]
      6·
      4 years ago

      It’s not state propaganda just because you don’t like criticism of China. It’s true: gay marriage is not legal in China.

      I don’t care if the US just recently granted marriage protections; I am well aware. The focus here is not the USA because we already know the us is shitty. I’m asking because I’d like to know where my rights stand in a supposed modern bastion of communism.

      • MrsPacMan [none/use name]
        6·
        4 years ago

        I'm saying we should look at the whole picture of the material ways nations support their lgbt community. We have marriage equality in the west but like I don't have the same medical rights that they have in china as a trans person. But the way the question is framed makes it look like china is decades behind the u.s. in lgbt rights. In a time where there is mass propoganda being gear up towards china and AES.

        • TheDeed [he/him, comrade/them]
          3·
          4 years ago

          My question was specifically on the issue of same sex marriage.

          I understand that there is a massive state propaganda campaign going on against China right now to ramp up anti-China hatred because the US is salty about giving all its manufacturing to China and being threatened as a world power.

          What we all need to understand is to separate fact from fiction. You’re right: there is a lot of unfounded bullshit going around about China. 99% percent of it is false. On the other hand, valid criticism about something that is true is not state propaganda. We shouldn’t just blanket ban all criticism of China from a left perspective and pretend everything is perfect.

          Secondly I did not frame the question as China being decades behind the US... I wanted to know what was going on there and why it was illegal. I got a lot of good answers. The issue is it’s still illegal. Once again, I don’t care what the US has done. The US is not the only country to legalize same sex marriage.

          And you’re right. You or I don’t have the same rights that would be afforded in China as trans people as we do in the US. That is a plus for China. Like I said in the post, I like most of the things China is doing. There’s also a lot I don’t like, identifying these issues are helpful as we build upon China’s example in establishing socialism in other places.

          • MrsPacMan [none/use name]
            15·
            4 years ago

            valid criticism about something that is true is not state propaganda

            being valid doesn't mean something can't act as propaganda.

            You or I don’t have the same rights that would be afforded in China as trans people as we do in the US

            And I'm saying the responsible thing to do would be to provide that context in your question so people don't come to uninformed conclusions right of the bat.

            • TheDeed [he/him, comrade/them]
              3·
              4 years ago

              same sex marriage is not the same thing as rights in medical transition. Are you serious? You can transition in Iran as well, that doesn’t mean it’s an lgbtq friendly place. Once again my question was explicitly about same sex marriage.