Israel and Hezbollah exchange heavy fire in major escalation
www.bbc.com
Hezbollah says it fired hundreds of rockets after Israel says it launched pre-emptive strikes on Sunday morning.

Israel launches air strikes "in self-defence" - and Hezbollah says it has fired drones into Israel.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/5r9XW

SpinScore: https://spinscore.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2Fcq6rzvyz9p6o

  • BrikoX@lemmy.zipM
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    3 months ago

    This fake narrative that everything Israel does is self-defese is getting old. You can't claim self-defese if you make the first strike. Imagine trying to explain to the cops that you killed the intruder 500 km from your home in self-defense... That's basically your idiotic argument.

    It described the barrage as a response to the assassination of senior military commander Fuad Shukr, who was killed in an Israeli strike in Beirut on 30 July.

    Assassination doesn't sound very self-defensive...

    • i_hate_nazis@eviltoast.org
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      3 months ago

      https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-golan-heights-attack-hezbollah-07-29-24-intl-hnk/index.html

      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv2gj544x65o

      https://www.timesofisrael.com/11-killed-mostly-children-dozens-more-hurt-as-rocket-hits-soccer-field-in-majdal-shams/

      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c29dydz84ngo

      Its absolutely justified to kill the head of a terrorist organization, it causes chaos and gives the bottom line (many child soldiers especially in case of hezbolla, https://www.dw.com/en/child-soldiers-used-in-yemen-civil-war-report-says/a-49606125) a chance to flee and live their lifes, hezbolla has been firing rockets into Israel for years and after 7. Oktober it where thousands within a few days. Your narrative is quite literally what their propaganda is, that is however absolutely not the truth.

      And no, to pick up your analogy, its like killing a organized crime boss that commands his gang of kids to drive-by on your house from time to time because you have another religion/ethnicity.

      • BrikoX@lemmy.zipM
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        3 months ago

        Its absolutely justified to kill the head of a terrorist organization

        Nowhere did I said it's not morally justified. I said it's not self-defense. And it's not.

        And you seem to be keen to pretend that Hezbollah is the only party here firing the rockets. Israel fired rockets into Lebanon for years too and murdered a lot of civilians. Killing fighters be it IDF, Hamas or Hezbollah is one thing, killing civilians is another. If you can somehow justify to yourself killing children, you are a monster.

        • https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/14/mother-two-children-among-lebanese-killed-by-israel-in-air-raids
        • https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/four-lebanese-civilians-killed-israeli-strike-border-village-2024-05-05/
        • https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/5/woman-three-children-killed-by-israeli-air-strike-in-southern-lebanon
        • https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-hospital-c53023a63867830231427ae6d04885d4
        • i_hate_nazis@eviltoast.org
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          3 months ago
          1. Im not going to open the aljazeera links, they are very much known for being the propaganda pipe for hamas and the other Irani backed terrorists.

          You should inform yourself about them, here is one article for you, there are many more. https://www.biznews.com/rational-perspective/2024/04/01/debunking-al-jazeeras-coverage-woode-smith

          The reuters link:

          The four were killed in Meiss al Jabal, which has suffered extensive damage in regular exchanges of fire between Israel and the Iranian-backed Hezbollah group since the start of the war in Gaza last October. In a statement, Hezbollah said it fired "tens" of Katyusha rockets at the Israeli town of Kiryat Shmona, a northern town close to the Lebanese border, in retaliation.

          Literally counter batty fire. sorry i missread the article, the article stated no reason, but according to other sources hezbolla has been operating from that area and them just firing Katyusha rockets in return (they are unguided and definitely aimed at civilians, like always) speaks for itself as well. Civilian casualtys are shit, but they do happen in war. Are we criticising Ukraine for having caused civilian casualtys? I don't think so and it would be absolutely asshole behavior because both countries defend themselves and their citizens from genocidal maniacs.

          The apnews is about a strike that killed 2 people driving a motorcycle, there is no reason given, but apparently it was a security guard apparently, idk about the reasoning.

          So... Do you even read your linked articles?

          In the exchanges of fire (started on 7th. October)

          Israeli strikes have killed more than 400 people in Lebanon since the war in Gaza began, most of them militants with Hezbollah and allied groups but also including more than 70 civilians and non-combatants. On the Israeli side, strikes from Lebanon have killed 15 soldiers and 10 civilians.

          Whats your point? Israel killes the people shooting rockets into Cities being bad? Shure there is collateral damage, but its a war, you cannot always pinpoint every strike and make shure that there is no civilian. Especially not in a asymmetrical war.

          Oh and again, the "children" argument. Yeah no shit people die in war and as i stated earlier, hezbolla uses child soldiers just like hamas. What is your point?

          • BrikoX@lemmy.zipM
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            3 months ago

            Their coverage is biased, but it's factual. And the fact that you dismiss it just shows your own ignorance.

            • https://spinscore.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2F11%2F5%2Fwoman-three-children-killed-by-israeli-air-strike-in-southern-lebanon
            • https://spinscore.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Fnews%2F2024%2F2%2F14%2Fmother-two-children-among-lebanese-killed-by-israel-in-air-raids

            Your garbage article is probably the worst piece of writing I read this year.

            • https://spinscore.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.biznews.com%2Frational-perspective%2F2024%2F04%2F01%2Fdebunking-al-jazeeras-coverage-woode-smith

            Oh and again, the "children" argument. Yeah no shit people die in war and as i stated earlier, hezbolla uses child soldiers just like hamas. What is your point?

            So using children as soldiers is bad, but killing children is good. Yeah, there is nothing more to talk about with someone like you.

            • i_hate_nazis@eviltoast.org
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              3 months ago

              Category Grade Bias F (54%) Fallacy B- (81%) Misleading Info B (86%)

              Very reliable source.

              But as said, i didnt say there are no civilian casualtys, i literally quoted the official numbers, but those numbers are completely normal for a asymmetrical war.

              And yes! Killing children is great/s where the fuck did you read that? That's the opposite of what i said.

              The fact check link for my source isn't working correctly, the grade says F in everything but all the fact checks are true or mostly true, so tat is actually just a discredit for your fact check site... (errors can happen, the site is probably fine)