I've had quite a few people say I've been brainwashed by Chinese or soviet propaganda, a thing I do not encounter often, and then slowly explain the most bog standard white Australian nationalist narrative to me. I wish I was better at confrontational social situations
I mean, I've checked out a few English language Chinese news programs out of curiosity. Not really anything vitriolic I've seen, if anything they all seem a bit more chill and relaxed and maybe even a bit boring. It's obvious that some of it is propaganda but they don't really bother to hide it behind this facade of "NO SPIN" and "TOTALLY RELIABLE" or controlled oppositional pushback that American corporate news (aka propaganda) feels the need to project.
This is literally on .ml, why are liberals flooding the comments.
Because Lemmy.ml is federated with anti-leftist instances like Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ca. Lemmy.ml has a weird mix of very pro-Leftist posters and very anti-Leftist commenters because of this, people tend to post more on their own instances but often times scroll by all for commenting.
More self-sufficient Leftist instances like Hexbear or Lemmygrad don't see the same circumstances.
Why are liberals on a decentralized platform anyway? Surely the free market has provided adequate platforms for everyone's needs
The Liberals on instances like Lemmy.world are too ideological to stay on Reddit, but have read no Marxist Theory and have not correctly identified the reasons why Reddit went wrong, and was always destined to go wrong. If they were Leftists, they would join an instance that doesn't defederate with Leftists as policy.
That's why Lemmy.world is just Reddit 2.
They left reddit to teach them a lesson for changing the recipe of their favorite capitalist treat, but have given no thought or import to the decentralized nature of the platform they left it for.
While I basically agree with this, I would argue there may be some liberals who just haven't been exposed to actual communism/been too heavily propagandized and seeing the discourse on very left instances could gain some supporters. I guess this specific post comment section is maybe a bad example, but I would venture a guess most leftists were liberals once
Reddit took away their precious apps, that's the only reason. They have no problems at all with its western-supremacist political aims.
If .worlders could see hexbear and lemmygrad, they'd have an aneurysm. But then some of them would recover and look further into it and realize the commies are right. But that is of course why they're not allowed to see it, as you said.
The western-supremacists literally can't keep their mouths shut, when given a chance to denounce any country they consider "barbarian".
It's worse when you say you're a Communist or say Communism is good, and people agree, but when you advocate for AES or advocate for standard Marxist theory the same people flip on you and call you brainwashed.
I haven’t gotten that far with people yet. I have only met people who say “no communism” but “socialism” or “Democratic socialism” or “social democracy”
There are two kinds of deviations on the left, right-deviations (aka opportunists) that are succdems and such, basically defending capitalism and always siding with libs against communists, and the left-deviations (also called ultras, leftcoms etc. often including anarchism) who refuse to acknowledge every real-world attempt at socialism as "not real communism", "statism", "authoritarianism", "state capitalism" etc. because real world has a habit of clashing with their ideals.
Some short reading.If you want to met those latter people, probably just wait for the answers for my comment here, since there's many of them here on fediverse.
I find it's valuable to push people on the whole concept of democracy and getting them to understand that politics is about organization of the economy first and foremost. The key question is why we work in the first place and who decides on what the purpose of work is. If people believe in democracy then it necessarily has to extend to organization of labor as well. Having a democracy where a handful of oligarchs decide why and how people work is a farce.
If only there were some kind of way for it to not devolve into totalitarian dictatorship...
"devolve"
Big fan of Tsarist Russia, Feudal China, Colonial Japan, and Batista Cuba I take it.
lucky u, there is; its called just doing the fucking thing like normal, cuz non of the historical examples did that so u know.
If only there were some kind of way for liberals to learn the actual histories of AES states...
Give me a good, real world example of a working communist country. The difference between propaganda and education are facts. That, or removed by mod me.
Not sure what your point is, here. Not an alt, this is my main account. Never been a mod either.
You spilled coffee all over your keyboard, I was checking if you were okay.
So, nothing, got it. Guess you just hate Communists. You won't be missed.
Yes, in 1991 it was illegally dissolved against the will of the people, and as a result poverty skyrocketed and roughly 7 million people died. The USSR didn't fail, it was killed.
That doesn't change that it did work, doubling life expectancy, reducing working hours, free education and healthcare, and more.
Consider reading Blackshirts and Reds. I think it might be eye-opening for you.
Both are bad one (captlism) is slight ok but communism just pure garbage
