• anachronist@midwest.social
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    1 year ago

    There is overlap especially when you don't confuse communism as the broader framework with state communism or even worse soviet communism.

      • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        I have, its a terrible "rebuttal" of anarchist criticism of marxism, conflating self-defence with authority.

        • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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          1 year ago

          That is the thing though, until you abolish class contradictions states are the most effective way of protecting the revolution and suppressing the bourgeoisie. So authority does equal self defense in a real, meaningful way.

          • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            No, since states can get couped. The most effective way of protecting the revolution is gathering the masses which can happen without the state, indeed, it has happened multiple time throughout history.

            • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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              1 year ago

              The most effective way of protecting the revolution is gathering the masses which can happen without the state, indeed, it has happened multiple time throughout history.

              Could you point to examples?

              • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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                1 year ago

                Anarchists in civil war in spain (until some of them decided to fuck off), I would say the makhnovshchina defended itself pretty well with the scarce resources they had, greek anarchists with their decades old squats, bolivian grassroots movements who helped Evo Morales get in power in Bolivia, etc.

        • anachronist@midwest.social
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          1 year ago

          And the fact that Engels wrote it proves that there were people in the movement even in those early days who disagreed.

    • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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      1 year ago

      I have an idea of what a state is, but what's a "soviet"? That's not an English word.

      What does "soviet" mean in Russian?

      • anachronist@midwest.social
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        1 year ago

        I know you're being cute but "soviet" is indeed a word in English: http://dict.org/bin/Dict

        
          Soviet
              adj 1: of or relating to or characteristic of the former Soviet
                     Union or its people; "Soviet leaders"
              n 1: an elected governmental council in a communist country
                   (especially one that is a member of the Union of Soviet
                   Socialist Republics)
        

        And it means what I intended it to mean, the official state ideology of the USSR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union

        • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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          1 year ago

          That sounds bland, I like the idea of council communism better.

          How do you say "council communism" in Russian?