Let's set aside the popular argument that Israel has our complete and utter support and is actually doing what we want it to--**I accept that this is the most reasonable and likely explanation, but I want to ask about other possibilities. **

Does Israel have doomsday bombs planted all over the world or something? Because seeing US Officials saying "we hate that they're doing this, we've asked them not to, but there's nothing we can do" is so obviously inadequate and non-real, that you can really only assume that they either a.) wholly support all of the actions and are in fact directing them or b.) they know that apocalypse looms if they don't appease, like hostages. Basically US officials look like servants to Israel, with the speed and totality to which they supply aid and grant cover for what are obviously "beyond the pale" actions by our client state.

Again, I suppose option a. is the most likely. But I can't quite square their willingness to accept so much utter humiliation in order to see their "secret" desires met--they're pushing a misguided and likely to fail NeoCon foreign policy wet dream, and those same wild neocons would be constitutionally unable to accept public performances of weakness--the entire ideology is about performative strength.

I suppose option c. is that they know the world is fucked, billions are gonna perish one way or another in the next couple decades, and so why not funnel huge profits to defense contractors while they can so they can feather their bunkers properly.

I Don't know, there's just such a great deal of hyper-reality going around, I can't properly analyze anything easily anymore. Anyone even mildly paying attention can see that you could easily put Israel in line by pausing or significantly limiting arms and aid money--they cannot bomb anything if they don't have bombs, and aside from spyware and doing sloppy Nazi impressions in media, that appears to be all they're very good at, at this point.

I know US Officials don't care about dead Muslims or brown people, especially so if they're on the other side of the world, but they do care about humiliation. All of those stupid elites do, it's practically all they care about, since they already have virtually unlimited money and power as a class--we're constantly hearing how they hate that people don't like them, or think they're weird. They do stupid non-rational shit all the time to combat this. They want their cake and they want to eat it too.

Where does absolute support for Israel end, policy wise for the US. Is there really no red line?

  • MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Israel does what America wants it to do

    Taking the blame away from America by saying that “maybe there are doomsday devices planted all over the world” is both nonsensical and disgusting

    The blame lies on America just as much as it does on Israel and any Palestinian will tell you that

    • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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      2 months ago

      Tbf I don’t think OP is actually suggesting there are doomsday devices, that’s just an extreme example to make the point of “Why does it often look like Israel is the one in control here?”

      • hotspur [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        yes, that's correct. I don't mean to suggest there are actually pocket nukes in sweetgreens, and good US politicians are just "trying to save the world". I'm just trying to understand how they can allow Israel to humiliate them so much. I buy it that they might be willing to just take the PR L and look like dipshits in order to deflect the blame for the nastier stuff to the client state, but the uniformity and lockstepness of it, plus the very real loss of face it represents seems to run counter to what I understand to be typical neocon tendencies.

    • hotspur [he/him]
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      2 months ago

      look, if you read my post, you'd note that I accept this position in my first paragraph. And I'm not interested in taking blame off of America--I'm just curious about an aspect of the behavior that never quite makes full sense to me. Regardless, I note that you're a staunch support of option a.