Apologies for the delay but here they are. As per usual, if your pronouns aren't in the list, please comment them here and I'll see that they get added.

UPDATE: “Undecided” and “None/Use Name” have now been added.

  • joshieecs [he/him,any]
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    4 years ago

    But those two positions are contradictory.

    One the one hand saying, we will only acknowledge pronouns that indicate a sincerely held identity, while at the same time saying, no no, it's not about identity at all, it's only about what grammar you want people to use.

    I am a cis gay guy, sometimes I use feiminine pronouns for myself, and for other cis gay gays. It's a pretty common part of gay culture. But I am not going to add she/her to my list of pronouns because I don't identify with a she/her gender expression, even though I do use those pronouns. I think it's being intentionally aloof to suggest it's only about pronoun preference for grammatical purposed, and has nothing to do with gender expression. Of course it has something to do with gender expression.

    But since we have opened the door to pronouns that go beyond gender expression, into otherkin expression, then there ought to be an option for people to identity as a catboys -- whether it's because it makes them feel cute or because they have some sincerely held identity that they are catfolk. The "it's just a pronoun" arguers are suggesting we just pick whatever pronoun we like people to use, has nothing to do with our identity. Under that paradigm, you ought to be able to pick cat/boy just because it's cute.

    Neopronouns are fine, as they relate to gender. But if you open the door to these other categories of identity (which is a reasonable discussion to have that no one has gotten to, because some of the non-gender identites have "pronouns"), you should either open them all or push them all off into a second flair. That is my position. They don't bother me one bit, it only bothers me that some are privilieged while other aren't.

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      One the one hand saying, we will only acknowledge pronouns that indicate a sincerely held identity, while at the same time saying, no no, it’s not about identity at all, it’s only about what grammar you want people to use.

      It is about identity, but the point isn't to directly express identity, but to clarify what grammar should be used. I'm not sure how to make that sound less contradictory, but it isn't.

      or push them all off into a second flair

      This is probably where we're headed, but that doesn't quite solve the problem because the second flair would fundamentally be not pronouns, so doe/deer still belongs in the first flair, and the second would be "Fawn" or whatever doe calls deer identity.

      • joshieecs [he/him,any]
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        4 years ago

        Is doe/deer supposed to be legitimate pronouns we are expected to use in sentences?

        Inventing racialized pronouns on the quest for social justice just seems completely galaxy brain to me.

        • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Is doe/deer supposed to be legitimate pronouns we are expected to use in sentences?

          As far as I can tell, yes.