Islamic extremists are not the same as regular muslims. Conflating the two is the problem. Blasting that the religion and all muslims are a problem is what grows their ranks, it massively radicalises regular muslims through the alienation and racial hatred they receive in their day to day lives.
There are some core tenants to islam, like not depicting Muhammad, which are universal tho. While only small number of loons go out and actually commit these acts, it's not like Muslim countries don't have laws on their books against criticizing him and Islam in general, for example Pakistan.
And? What point are you making? That because some violent people do something bad that it's fine for the government itself to advocate for the thing that upsets all the normal non-violent muslims?
The depiction IS offensive and bad. It does not deserve a violent reprisal and that should be condemned, but the depiction itself should still be condemned as offensive and bad. It should not be encouraged wholesale by the state itself as Macron has been doing. This is encouragement of something intended specifically to stir reactionary outcomes.
Then we are making special cases for Muslims above other religions. No one else would get this privilege and then you think that won't build animus amongst the others.
No we're fucking not. I will defend anything that is strictly offensive to other religions too, it's just not necessary.
As far as I'm concerned performing the depiction is not dissimilar to performing a racist or transphobic act. In many cases that's EXACTLY how reactionaries are using it too -- as a substitute for blatant racism. It's obviously problematic by itself, it doesn't deserve people to have their heads cut off, but it does deserve condemning. You're making the same "special treatment" argument that reactionaries make for lgbt and skin colour when we condemn them for other ways they attack those minority groups.
Well no since being lgbt and having a certain skin color is something you are born with. Religion is not something like that. I guess if you commit some violence then that breeds fear in people from talking about your ideology, maybe some other religions and ideologies will take note.
It's irrelevant whether it's a religion or not. It's still an attack on a minority group, religious or otherwise. Religious minorities are a hierarchy just the same. Attacks on all minority groups are attacks to elevate the primary caste of society (white male cis straight christian) and lower others.
When have I abused Polish or Eastern European migrants?
Please don't call me white.
This seems like a deeply generalised attack that makes a whole bunch of assumptions about me. Who are you even attacking? Why? Why is it being directed at me? Respond to people's actual words instead of making shit up based on whatever cartoon caricature you've decided a person is in your head please.
EDIT: Unless I've completely misinterpreted this as an attack when it's not. In which case carry on.
Islamic extremists are not the same as regular muslims. Conflating the two is the problem. Blasting that the religion and all muslims are a problem is what grows their ranks, it massively radicalises regular muslims through the alienation and racial hatred they receive in their day to day lives.
There are some core tenants to islam, like not depicting Muhammad, which are universal tho. While only small number of loons go out and actually commit these acts, it's not like Muslim countries don't have laws on their books against criticizing him and Islam in general, for example Pakistan.
And? What point are you making? That because some violent people do something bad that it's fine for the government itself to advocate for the thing that upsets all the normal non-violent muslims?
The depiction IS offensive and bad. It does not deserve a violent reprisal and that should be condemned, but the depiction itself should still be condemned as offensive and bad. It should not be encouraged wholesale by the state itself as Macron has been doing. This is encouragement of something intended specifically to stir reactionary outcomes.
Then we are making special cases for Muslims above other religions. No one else would get this privilege and then you think that won't build animus amongst the others.
No we're fucking not. I will defend anything that is strictly offensive to other religions too, it's just not necessary.
As far as I'm concerned performing the depiction is not dissimilar to performing a racist or transphobic act. In many cases that's EXACTLY how reactionaries are using it too -- as a substitute for blatant racism. It's obviously problematic by itself, it doesn't deserve people to have their heads cut off, but it does deserve condemning. You're making the same "special treatment" argument that reactionaries make for lgbt and skin colour when we condemn them for other ways they attack those minority groups.
Well no since being lgbt and having a certain skin color is something you are born with. Religion is not something like that. I guess if you commit some violence then that breeds fear in people from talking about your ideology, maybe some other religions and ideologies will take note.
It's irrelevant whether it's a religion or not. It's still an attack on a minority group, religious or otherwise. Religious minorities are a hierarchy just the same. Attacks on all minority groups are attacks to elevate the primary caste of society (white male cis straight christian) and lower others.
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When have I abused Polish or Eastern European migrants?
Please don't call me white.
This seems like a deeply generalised attack that makes a whole bunch of assumptions about me. Who are you even attacking? Why? Why is it being directed at me? Respond to people's actual words instead of making shit up based on whatever cartoon caricature you've decided a person is in your head please.
EDIT: Unless I've completely misinterpreted this as an attack when it's not. In which case carry on.
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You seem to have no idea that I'm fucking Czech. Stop assuming people's ethnicity, it's fucking embarrassing and you're clearly a reactionary.
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