Which rights do Palestinians have? If you say human rights it wouldn't quite be socialist. If you don't talk about the individuals, but the collective of the Palestinians and say they are a people and as such have according to classical theory a right to self determination (that is of they are able to world power and form a state in their territory which currently isn't the case cause they can't military win) or according to Lenin's right to self determination and struggle for liberation there are two entry points for further talk. The first I will just deny, the second opens up the question if people deserve support in their liberation struggle when did the necessary critical support of the people of Israel's struggle switch from to be supported to being problematic?
If you say when there was a reactionary or semi fascist group that wielded violence I might ask if you talk about Hamas. If you say when Israel defended itself against multiple so called Arab nations I draw the support of liberation struggle. If you say after 1967 we can talk about the expansions over the borders of that point, but honestly I don't feel much in support of the collective of Palestinian people, but about the individuals that were and are hurt by war or occupation.
Materially Israel proper integrated 'Palestinian/Arab' Labour and people into their capitalist system. In occupied terrories and the special economic zones the integration is very different. The former are not experiencing apartheid, the latter experiences things that resemble elements of apartheid.
What we see within Israel is a strong support for two state solution and even in the left (as well as Jewish left) there isn't a call to abolish Israel. There is a minority, though idealisation of any actor might lead to non materialistic politics.
Any idealistic policy can be understood when Egypt is not mentioned, when Libanon isn't mentioned, when Syria isn't mentioned in the question of a Palestine and safe space for people read or declared Jewish, Palestinian, Arab.
Which rights do Palestinians have? If you say human rights it wouldn't quite be socialist. If you don't talk about the individuals, but the collective of the Palestinians and say they are a people and as such have according to classical theory a right to self determination (that is of they are able to world power and form a state in their territory which currently isn't the case cause they can't military win) or according to Lenin's right to self determination and struggle for liberation there are two entry points for further talk. The first I will just deny, the second opens up the question if people deserve support in their liberation struggle when did the necessary critical support of the people of Israel's struggle switch from to be supported to being problematic?
If you say when there was a reactionary or semi fascist group that wielded violence I might ask if you talk about Hamas. If you say when Israel defended itself against multiple so called Arab nations I draw the support of liberation struggle. If you say after 1967 we can talk about the expansions over the borders of that point, but honestly I don't feel much in support of the collective of Palestinian people, but about the individuals that were and are hurt by war or occupation.
Materially Israel proper integrated 'Palestinian/Arab' Labour and people into their capitalist system. In occupied terrories and the special economic zones the integration is very different. The former are not experiencing apartheid, the latter experiences things that resemble elements of apartheid.
What we see within Israel is a strong support for two state solution and even in the left (as well as Jewish left) there isn't a call to abolish Israel. There is a minority, though idealisation of any actor might lead to non materialistic politics.
Any idealistic policy can be understood when Egypt is not mentioned, when Libanon isn't mentioned, when Syria isn't mentioned in the question of a Palestine and safe space for people read or declared Jewish, Palestinian, Arab.
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