• Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
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    1 year ago

    Biden had no choice. Check that...he could have added more troops, set up an armed enclave, told the taliban that Trump didn't really sign that surrender and hope for the best.

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Biden is the president; of course he had a choice. Fortunately, he made the right one.

        • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Check that...he could have added more troops, set up an armed enclave, told the taliban that Trump didn't really sign that surrender and hope for the best.

          Honestly not sure -- were you being sarcastic here? Why couldn't he have done something like this?

          There's also the ever-possible "find some technical violation the other side did and back out," or "find some issue that's larger than imagined and unilaterally delay the agreement," etc. Who was going to hold him accountable?

          • Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
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            1 year ago

            Biden wanted to end the war as well but in a controlled fashion which the agreement precluded. The agreement itself was registered with the UN and there was no way to cancel it.

            • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Was the UN going to force the U.S. out of Afghanistan if Biden re-wrote the agreement to his liking? The repercussions would have been a few countries making strong statements, if that.

              • Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
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                1 year ago

                Also a fracture in the world order with other agreements in doubt, US not considered an honest broker, ect.

                • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  There are centuries of evidence that the U.S. is not an honest broker (look at our treaty history with Native Americans). This would have made no difference.

                  • Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
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                    1 year ago

                    While it is true that you can search back in our internal history to find examples of bad deals, it is also true on the international stage the US has a long history of peace, trade, treaty, ect. Deals that have stood the test of time. Of course there are exceptions, like Trump pulling out of the Iran agreement. Which resulted in putting us and the world in an uncertain place. But, by and large, a security agreement for instance, with the US is something other countries want.

                    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                      1 year ago

                      the US has a long history of peace, trade, treaty, ect.

                      We've been at war for something like 250 of our years of existence. We invaded all our continental neighbors, most of Latin America, plus Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Grenada, Panama, etc. in living memory.

                      The trade deals we sign are often at gunpoint (see "gunboat diplomacy," the opening of Japan, our history of coup attempts against countries that don't run their economies on our terms, constant sanctions, etc.).

                      • Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
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                        1 year ago

                        You seem to be disappointed that your assumptions are wrong. BTW, the Korean War was with the UN which the US is part of. Vietnam, peace treaty signed Iraq, another agreement. Afghanistan, trump signed that one. Last time I was in Grenada everything was cool. Panama was a US protectorate when we invaded. US citizens there.

                        Vietnam doesn't need to sign a trade deal next month. China doesn't want them to do it. But they'll sign with Biden.

                        Why? We are the largest market on earth.

                        • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                          1 year ago

                          There are no assumptions here. We did, in fact, invade those countries. You are giving America's stated justifications, which do not mean the invasions didn't happen.

                        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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                          1 year ago

                          technically the "Ukraine War" is called a Special Military Operation by the Russian invaders, which makes it more justifiable

                    • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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                      1 year ago

                      Remember when Gaddafi got rid of his nukes in an act of goodwill towards the West, and then later the US didn't give a fuck and NATO destroyed Libya, bringing open air slave markets to the country? I'm guessing you don't.

                      • Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
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                        1 year ago

                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_civil_war_(2011)#:~:text=It%20erupted%20with%20the%20Libyan,who%20fired%20on%20the%20crowd.

                    • RedDawn [he/him]
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                      1 year ago

                      the U.S. has a long history of peace

                      The U.S. hasn’t been at peace for a single day since WW2 lol