If you would stick to reading through the thread and replying on a single thread as opposed to replying to me multiple times, that would be cool, thanks.
You can't measure it. That's the problem. Well, you can measure the effectiveness of messaging tactics regarding tagging by asking people who joined your organization if they joined because they saw the tags. Or measuring the growth of your organization based prior to a tagging campaign vs. after.
However, measuring the effectiveness of a tactic in a culture war is by definition non-materialist, which is why it is a waste of time, and not something imo leftists, particularly organized marxist leftists, should focus on. Leave the culture war to the libs and chuds, focus on the material inequality within your community and inject theory into the cracks as you seek to assuage what harm you can. Revolution, imo, will likely not come from the imperial core as the security state has far too much power.
I will agree with you, tags do less harm than voting for Joe Biden. But that's a fucking low bar to clear. Yet, tagging does clearly harm your organization's PR, primarily with other 'leftists' (e.g. many of the people in this thread). But hey, they're not 'real leftists', because they think this shit doesn't really do anything, right?
Fair, but you paint an interesting tag and people share it saying 'omg cant beelive what those anarchists did', and forget about it in a week, then it's about the same... and you deleted it.
True, but also, generally speaking, I don't need to spend time talking about how psychedelic usage is generally an ineffective movement builder to younger members. It's generally understood as an indulgence and not a revolutionary act in of itself.
That being said I don't have a problem with tagging, particularly that which expresses individual artistry in the public sphere. I do have issues with organizations that use this type of sloganeering as their entry point. It leads to bad brain shit that confuses people about matierialist philisophy and what needs to be done. This shit is at a lower level than pamphlets and newspapers in terms of communicating ideas.
How would you even measure that shit? It doesnt do any harm so what's the problem?
If you would stick to reading through the thread and replying on a single thread as opposed to replying to me multiple times, that would be cool, thanks.
You can't measure it. That's the problem. Well, you can measure the effectiveness of messaging tactics regarding tagging by asking people who joined your organization if they joined because they saw the tags. Or measuring the growth of your organization based prior to a tagging campaign vs. after.
However, measuring the effectiveness of a tactic in a culture war is by definition non-materialist, which is why it is a waste of time, and not something imo leftists, particularly organized marxist leftists, should focus on. Leave the culture war to the libs and chuds, focus on the material inequality within your community and inject theory into the cracks as you seek to assuage what harm you can. Revolution, imo, will likely not come from the imperial core as the security state has far too much power.
I will agree with you, tags do less harm than voting for Joe Biden. But that's a fucking low bar to clear. Yet, tagging does clearly harm your organization's PR, primarily with other 'leftists' (e.g. many of the people in this thread). But hey, they're not 'real leftists', because they think this shit doesn't really do anything, right?
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Fair, but you paint an interesting tag and people share it saying 'omg cant beelive what those anarchists did', and forget about it in a week, then it's about the same... and you deleted it.
counterpoint: graffiti owns
So does punk rock, but neither of them are particularly heroic revolutionary actions.
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True, but also, generally speaking, I don't need to spend time talking about how psychedelic usage is generally an ineffective movement builder to younger members. It's generally understood as an indulgence and not a revolutionary act in of itself.
That being said I don't have a problem with tagging, particularly that which expresses individual artistry in the public sphere. I do have issues with organizations that use this type of sloganeering as their entry point. It leads to bad brain shit that confuses people about matierialist philisophy and what needs to be done. This shit is at a lower level than pamphlets and newspapers in terms of communicating ideas.