• mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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    1 year ago

    No, but one of the top posts in the "tankiverse" recently was saying that places like North Korea are the bastions of freedom.

    More nuanced takes on communism, etc are done instances other than Hexbear and Lemmygrad.

    • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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      1 year ago

      Why does your opinion on the DPRK align with propaganda from a country that killed 20 percent of all Koreans to prevent a unified democratic Korea?

      us-foreign-policy

              • mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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                1 year ago

                I'm not really in the business of sourcing things to users from an instance that is basically a Sealioning factory.

                Ultimately, I will get told I don't understand economics until I've read all three volumes of Das Kapital. Ironically, it's no different that libertarians saying you don't understand economics unless you've read the works of Milton Friedman, or more importantly, Ayn Rand.

                • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  "When you make a contentious claim and someone asks for a source that's them doing a logical fallacy"

                  Ultimately, I will get told I don't understand economics until I've read all three volumes of Das Kapital. Ironically, it's no different that libertarians saying you don't understand economics unless you've read the works of Milton Friedman, or more importantly, Ayn Rand.

                  Okay, except as part of the background of growing up in the imperial core youre already exposed to their ideology so you don't need to read it. You're not really exposed to Marxism here and you need a background to understand it.

                  I agree capital isn't the best starting point but for some reason anti-communists love trying to argue economics when they know nothing about economics, so thats when capital generally gets brought up and its become a meme from that.

    • Aliveelectricwire [it/its]
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      1 year ago

      What to you is a tankie. Are they in the room with us right now? Anyway I'm disengaging because you're clearly a debatebro (and lib) who can't argue in good faith. but I'll leave you a link to hexbears policy posting bulletins

      • mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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        1 year ago

        A tankie is a supporter of an authoritarian country that either is, or presents itself as, a left wing.

        Pretty unambiguous definition.

            • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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              1 year ago

              Thank you for acknowledging that it is basically useless because it is just a thing states do.

              Also fascists and other reactionary dissidents should be repressed when they try to organize.

              • mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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                1 year ago

                I agree. This is why I caution more nuanced takes on economics. A lot of people on Hexbear think a revolution occuring in the US is going to look like 1917, but really it's going to be more like 1923. Take a look at the closest we have been to a "revolution" since 1776.

                • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  The question is just how bad things are going to get before socialism happens. It might get to fascists killing people like me in the streets beforehand, but fascism will not resolve the contradictions of capitalism and will not prevent the inevitability of socialism.

                  • mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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                    1 year ago

                    This is a human problem that cannot seem to be fixed. It feels like a simulation how history is constantly stuck in the same power cycles without sustained improvement.

                    There are innocent people who have been conditioned to think the status quo is the best we have, who themselves are victims of misinformation. The only left-wing revolutions I've seen in history involves purging these people from society, which eventually creates the left wing gestapos, like the NKVD. These organizations persist to squash dissidents and millions of deaths later these countries revert to capitalism or quasi-capitalism due to a failed system.

                    I don't know what the best answer to it is, but there are no quick fixes.

                    • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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                      1 year ago

                      left wing gestapos, like the NKVD.

                      https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

                      As someone who knew people who were in nazi concentration camps, Im done talking with you about this. You're wrong and you're being incredibly offensive.

                      • mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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                        1 year ago

                        The Gestapo and NKVD were both oppressive secret police organizations. Why is it controversial to say this?

                        I was genuinely trying to turn this into a good-faith debate and was going to note it as my first positive interaction with a Hexbear user.

                        • carl_marks_1312 [comrade/them]
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                          1 year ago

                          One was opressing communists, ethnic and sexual minorities, one was opressing capitalists and other reactionaries

                          You equate the two...

                          Please look into the tolerance paradox

                          .de

                          Coming from a German instance you should be more mindful

                          • mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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                            1 year ago

                            Both organizations participated in overwhelming amount of extrajudicial killings. Incidentally, both organizations also purged socialists.

                            • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                              1 year ago

                              Both organizations participated in overwhelming amount of extrajudicial killings.

                              Of who? pit

                              Incidentally, both organizations also purged socialists.

                              Arresting someone for a crime who happens to be a socialist is exactly the same as purging socialists for being socialists because you think they're secret agents of the Jews.

                              This is the laziest equivocation I've ever seen and you should eat a pile of leaves.

                            • carl_marks_1312 [comrade/them]
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                              1 year ago

                              Again, coming from a German instance you should be more mindful. Equating a fascist regime and a socialist state is actually a fascist talking point disguised as centrism.

                              Extrajudicial killings are definitely not good when you just look at it in a vacuum/without context and noone argues in favor of that. Not on hexbear at least.

                              That said, looking at things without context is not dialectical aka lib. And the context here being WW2..

            • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              So all countries then.

              So your definition of tankie is "a supporter of country that either is, or presents itself, as left wing."