You know, this is certainly some kind of fallacy, but after you described the United States and the United Kingdom as social democracies before Reagan and Thatcher, ignoring a few hundred years of imperialism and market liberalism slash parliamentary monarchy and attribute shit fucking Bush, Clinton, and Bush did to social Democracy, I’m just going to stop trying to debate you from here on out
Almost every politician after Reagan was a neoliberal/neoconservative. I’m not entirely sure what I’d call the UK, I’m only 16 and I haven’t read as much theory as I would like to, but it more resembles modern neoliberalism than social democracy, considering that unlike social democrats, they didn’t pretend to care for the working class, and also had very little regulations for Corporate entities
Neoliberals came to power in the 80s however it took them 30-40 years to rollback social democratic gains and they did so with the complicity of social democratic parties
Even today UK still has some social democracy (full healthcare) so i guess its how much you want to split hairs over whether they're neoliberal states with some remaining succdem policies or a social-democracy that has been heavily eroded
Whatever they are...they are where they are with the full complicity of social democrats after actually existing socialism in Eastern europe fell and the capitalist class no longer felt threatened by an alternative
You know, this is certainly some kind of fallacy, but after you described the United States and the United Kingdom as social democracies before Reagan and Thatcher, ignoring a few hundred years of imperialism and market liberalism slash parliamentary monarchy and attribute shit fucking Bush, Clinton, and Bush did to social Democracy, I’m just going to stop trying to debate you from here on out
What mode of economy would you describe them comrade?
Though i come off as a prick a lot i am always eager to learn
Almost every politician after Reagan was a neoliberal/neoconservative. I’m not entirely sure what I’d call the UK, I’m only 16 and I haven’t read as much theory as I would like to, but it more resembles modern neoliberalism than social democracy, considering that unlike social democrats, they didn’t pretend to care for the working class, and also had very little regulations for Corporate entities
Surprised you didn’t bring up the Freikorps
Neoliberals came to power in the 80s however it took them 30-40 years to rollback social democratic gains and they did so with the complicity of social democratic parties
Even today UK still has some social democracy (full healthcare) so i guess its how much you want to split hairs over whether they're neoliberal states with some remaining succdem policies or a social-democracy that has been heavily eroded
Whatever they are...they are where they are with the full complicity of social democrats after actually existing socialism in Eastern europe fell and the capitalist class no longer felt threatened by an alternative