• AStonedApe [they/them]
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      4 年前

      in order to be able even to not consent to something you have to exist

      But why?

      Consent is really important for all sorts of things, and it's something we take very seriously. But bringing a life into existence, literally the most important decision one can make, is somehow the one decision that need not concern itself with consent?

        • AStonedApe [they/them]
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          4 年前

          what are you asking for consent?

          I mean, we're obviously not literally asking an unborn baby for consent, that'd be crazy. We simply recognize that an unborn baby can't consent, so we don't make the baby.

          as they don’t exist they can’t have an opinion or preference

          I totally agree, but this doesn't address my question. Why is it that existence is a prerequisite for the importance of consent? Why is it that a lack of consent means not performing an action in every case except this one?

            • AStonedApe [they/them]
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              4 年前

              the entity in question exists and is capable of having a preference.

              Why is having a preference a prerequisite for the importance of consent?

                • AStonedApe [they/them]
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                  4 年前

                  we assume non-consent when consent is unclear

                  I'm with you here.

                  in this case both non-consent and consent are impossible as both pre-suppose existence

                  So we have a case where consent is unclear, why aren't we assuming non-consent like in every other case? I'll ask again, why is existence a prerequisite for consent?

                  it’s incredibly different

                  In what ways is it different?