Combination of natural causes and human error, nothing close to an intentional genocide. Could the Soviets have done better? Of course. But also the kulaks could’ve not burned their crops and slaughtered their animals rather than let it be collectivised.
The “holodomor was genocide” falsehood literally started as Ukrainian nazi propaganda btw
Stalin also chose to starve Eastern Ukraine which happens to be the part of Ukraine that has always been pro Soviet and pro Russian (lol and the ones that are literally fighting a civil war against Kiev nazis right now and renamed their counties to Donetsk Peoples Republic and Lugansk Peoples Republic and raising Communist flags in place of Ukrainian ones )
He also starved parts of Belarus and Russia at the same time for... reasons
AntiCommunist propaganda is so ridiculous when you scratch at even the surface level of it
There were famines in Russia for 2 millenia every 10 years. There were famines when they were dominated by British and French finance capital. But for some reason - the last famine to happen in the Soviet Union before they collectivised their farms on the US model of huge giant mechanised farms was deliberate to....suppress Ukrainian nationalism
Since this somehow triggered me to see if I can find some leftist analysis of where Ukraine stands nowadays a few years after Maidan, so I consulted my trusted search engine and I came across this article and man they surely are not hiding it, yikes.
... governments at all levels have been renaming everything from streets to entire cities. In just one example, Vatutin Street in Kiev, named after the USSR general who led the liberation of Kiev in 1943, was renamed for Roman Shukhevych, the founder of SS Galicia division, which consisted of Ukrainians serving in the Nazi forces during the same time.
This is a gem too:
The education system was one of the first targets, with hundreds of grade-level schools being closed over the last five years, especially in rural areas. This has been combined with a 2017 law to prohibit schools in minority languages.
Where was the outrage in the western press about Ukrainian minorities not receiving education in their native languages anymore?
By the way, because you always seem very knowledgeable on Soviet and post-Soviet history and stuff, I thought you may have some good sources on hand on what is actually going on in Donetsk and Luhansk?
Comrade during the uprising lots of Communists were just straight up executed in the streets by police. Not a word of it in Western MSM. Nazis also set fire to a trade union building with communists, socialists and trade unionists inside it where 39 people died (either burned to death or jumped from the windows)
Where was the outrage in the western press about Ukrainian minorities not receiving education in their native languages anymore?
They do not care. They wanted this exact scenario for Belarus also. The Belarus opposition basically ran on the same platform: de-communisation, making Belarus only language of Belarussia, and de"russification" ie. persecute Russian speakers and communists and those whose first language is Russian
Hear Lukashenko railing against the racist oppositionists that want to remove the other languages of Belarus and the creeping destruction of the Russian language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZ6Rbr_npE
In the following to the recent conflict in Donetsk and Luhansk the last I heard was that the Communists had largely been sidelined despite their heroism against Kiev nazis however they have basically de-coupled from Ukraine though have yet the ability to produce their own passports so have turned to Russia to get Russian passports.
There is still shelling of villages in Donetsk by Ukrainian nazis and Ukrainian Nazis recently broke the minsk protocol so Russia (I think) will have to step in to defend them shortly. I am not sure about recent news of Lugansk but seeing as they signed Minsk I think they are in the same situation as Donetsk
Peoples Republic of Donetsk news agency https://dan-news.info/en/
It is pretty crazy how completely different the Maidan was painted in the West, I have to admit I was at that time also still a lib and believed that this was a good thing so they could get out from under Putins boot, that was in hindsight obviously pretty stupid of me. That I until today didn't know that those snipers in Kiev were a false flag puts the cherry on top.
I remember reporting about that tragedy in Odessa as well, and I'm pretty sure it was painted as Russian aligned people or something like that being fought back by Ukrainian freedom fighters. Of course they didn't care to mention that these freedom fighters were Nazis and other such good folks.
Ukraine seems really fucked in any way you look at it. And then they get this Comedian Zelenskiy bankrolled by this billionaire Kolomoisky:
Kolomoisky is known for a number of seizures of state assets, including operations where he was able to sue the Ukrainian government for millions. One of his calling cards in the past 20 years has been using his own army of thugs in supporting various hostile takeovers, from factories to state energy companies. His alliance with the Euromaidan coalition led to him being appointed governor of the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. Among the numerous armed groups of men who formed the backbone of Euromaidan, Kolomoiski saw an opportunity to bolster the ranks of his private security forces. He is the principal funder of the far-right organisations who came out of the events, including Right Sector - who torched the KPU offices in Kiev - and the openly neo-Nazi Azov battalion, now organised as the Nats Korpus political party. In 2015, his thugs seized the HQ of the partially state-owned oil company UkrTransNafta, which led to his falling out with Poroshenko and dismissal as governor, as well as the state nationalisation of PrivatBank. source
Let's hope that the people, after being disillusioned again - now by this president, will realize that it would be best to return to tradition. :cat-com:
But I guess that is more wishful thinking than anything else.
Big thanks for those links on Donetsk and Luhansk, I will give that a look later. :fidel-salute:
return the status of the only state language to the Belarusian language;
To your
; it seems weird to me that the opposition would alienate such a large portion of the population during a time they need as much support as they can get.
Comrade the opposition only got 10 percent of the vote then claimed victory. Fascists have never been very clever. I guess we can um and ar whether the election was rigged but I think its clear Lukashenko had a majority despite how many CIA paid protestors the opposition are able to get out waving the nazi collaboratoring white-red-white flag
Ukraine fascists split the country in 2, ruined their own countrymen and now pay premium price for US gas instead of cheap Russian gas.
Hitler made Germany the 5th largest power in Berlin... etc. etc.
Fascists want power and they'd consider being king of the ashes worth it. They aren't very clever
Read through this article to understand the nazi origins of a lot of the symbols in the Belarus protests
Combination of natural causes and human error, nothing close to an intentional genocide. Could the Soviets have done better? Of course. But also the kulaks could’ve not burned their crops and slaughtered their animals rather than let it be collectivised.
The “holodomor was genocide” falsehood literally started as Ukrainian nazi propaganda btw
I mean, if they say it was intentional because Stalin hated the Ukrainians that much and he was all powerful, well why didn’t he do it again?
Stalin also chose to starve Eastern Ukraine which happens to be the part of Ukraine that has always been pro Soviet and pro Russian (lol and the ones that are literally fighting a civil war against Kiev nazis right now and renamed their counties to Donetsk Peoples Republic and Lugansk Peoples Republic and raising Communist flags in place of Ukrainian ones )
He also starved parts of Belarus and Russia at the same time for... reasons
AntiCommunist propaganda is so ridiculous when you scratch at even the surface level of it
There were famines in Russia for 2 millenia every 10 years. There were famines when they were dominated by British and French finance capital. But for some reason - the last famine to happen in the Soviet Union before they collectivised their farms on the US model of huge giant mechanised farms was deliberate to....suppress Ukrainian nationalism
Since this somehow triggered me to see if I can find some leftist analysis of where Ukraine stands nowadays a few years after Maidan, so I consulted my trusted search engine and I came across this article and man they surely are not hiding it, yikes.
This is a gem too:
Where was the outrage in the western press about Ukrainian minorities not receiving education in their native languages anymore?
By the way, because you always seem very knowledgeable on Soviet and post-Soviet history and stuff, I thought you may have some good sources on hand on what is actually going on in Donetsk and Luhansk?
Comrade during the uprising lots of Communists were just straight up executed in the streets by police. Not a word of it in Western MSM. Nazis also set fire to a trade union building with communists, socialists and trade unionists inside it where 39 people died (either burned to death or jumped from the windows)
https://www.rt.com/news/156480-odessa-fire-protesters-dead/
They do not care. They wanted this exact scenario for Belarus also. The Belarus opposition basically ran on the same platform: de-communisation, making Belarus only language of Belarussia, and de"russification" ie. persecute Russian speakers and communists and those whose first language is Russian
Hear Lukashenko railing against the racist oppositionists that want to remove the other languages of Belarus and the creeping destruction of the Russian language
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZ6Rbr_npE
In the following to the recent conflict in Donetsk and Luhansk the last I heard was that the Communists had largely been sidelined despite their heroism against Kiev nazis however they have basically de-coupled from Ukraine though have yet the ability to produce their own passports so have turned to Russia to get Russian passports.
There is still shelling of villages in Donetsk by Ukrainian nazis and Ukrainian Nazis recently broke the minsk protocol so Russia (I think) will have to step in to defend them shortly. I am not sure about recent news of Lugansk but seeing as they signed Minsk I think they are in the same situation as Donetsk
Peoples Republic of Donetsk news agency https://dan-news.info/en/
https://theduran.com/the-peoples-republics-of-lugansk-and-donetsk/
It is pretty crazy how completely different the Maidan was painted in the West, I have to admit I was at that time also still a lib and believed that this was a good thing so they could get out from under Putins boot, that was in hindsight obviously pretty stupid of me. That I until today didn't know that those snipers in Kiev were a false flag puts the cherry on top.
I remember reporting about that tragedy in Odessa as well, and I'm pretty sure it was painted as Russian aligned people or something like that being fought back by Ukrainian freedom fighters. Of course they didn't care to mention that these freedom fighters were Nazis and other such good folks.
Ukraine seems really fucked in any way you look at it. And then they get this Comedian Zelenskiy bankrolled by this billionaire Kolomoisky:
Let's hope that the people, after being disillusioned again - now by this president, will realize that it would be best to return to tradition. :cat-com:
But I guess that is more wishful thinking than anything else.
Big thanks for those links on Donetsk and Luhansk, I will give that a look later. :fidel-salute:
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Lukashenko is responding to the oppositions platform which was released on the oppositions website before they took it down
Someone managed to archive the site though and can be read in full here
https://old.reddit.com/r/EuropeanSocialists/comments/idu3nu/privatization_and_decommunization_what_the/
To your
Comrade the opposition only got 10 percent of the vote then claimed victory. Fascists have never been very clever. I guess we can um and ar whether the election was rigged but I think its clear Lukashenko had a majority despite how many CIA paid protestors the opposition are able to get out waving the nazi collaboratoring white-red-white flag
Ukraine fascists split the country in 2, ruined their own countrymen and now pay premium price for US gas instead of cheap Russian gas.
Hitler made Germany the 5th largest power in Berlin... etc. etc.
Fascists want power and they'd consider being king of the ashes worth it. They aren't very clever
Read through this article to understand the nazi origins of a lot of the symbols in the Belarus protests
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&u=https://www.a3haber.com/2020/08/17/belarus-muhalefetinin-neo-nazi-kokenleri-mesele-abd-rusya-kapismasi-mi/&prev=search&pto=aue
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