I'm just tired. On the last post about having Linux at our work, many people that seems to be an IT worker said there have been several issues with Linux that was not easy to manipulate or control like they do with Windows, but I think they just are lazy to find out ways to provide this support. Because Google forces all their workers to use Linux, and they have pretty much control on their OS as any other Windows system.

Linux is a valid system that can be used for work, just as many other companies do.

So my point is, the excuse of "Linux is not ready for workplaces" could be just a lack of knowledge of the IT team and/or a lack of intention to provide to developers the right tools to work.

  • KᑌᔕᕼIᗩ@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    I feel like OP has never worked in a corporate IT job before and has zero clue what it actually entails to manage a large fleet of desktop PCs used by the average office worker.

    • eee@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Not just that, for majority of corporate customers the OS is the last thing on their mind. Your office workers are going to complain about anything unfamiliar.

    • NBJack@reddthat.com
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      1 year ago

      Yes. So much yes.

      Sure, at least half of the FAANG use Linux. But they use a homegrown Linux flavor often maintained by an entire dedicated team. Not some random ass Ubuntu or Mint ISO you downloaded; these images are custom tailored to the workflows, dev needs, security needs, and even package management needs of the corporation. They often carry a complete profile template that integrates with whatever they've chosen to enforce authentication, have a lavish on-board remote monitoring system, you name it.

    • blkpws@lemmy.ml
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      I do have, let's not assume things. My Mac device isn't connected to that IT infrastructure, we have no support to connect to the company network neither, and I work for a pretty big company. So my question is, for the lack of support I get for the Mac, why can't I just use Linux as many devs on my work are requesting the same if there isn't any support for Mac, Windows Defender also runs on Linux and all can work perfectly.

  • zwekihoyy@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    the only thing I'll say is the piece about "no viruses" would kinda go away if desktop Linux picked up at all. the security on a default Linux system is worse than macos and windows with substantial hardening efforts needed. the only reason viruses and other malware isn't common on Linux as is is because of the tiny user base.

    with all this said, if enterprise use got more common, security would quickly become an important aspect.

  • ShustOne@lemmy.one
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    1 year ago

    This feels like it was written by someone who hasn't done sysadmin of a Windows network in a long time. Everything is online and is almost always one click now. Provisioning, removing permissions, updating email filters, adding users. Each item is so much easier now than it used to be. I loving running my PopOs install but let's not pretend that SysAdmin is the 90s nightmare it once was.

  • library_napper@monyet.cc
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    1 year ago

    Why are you posting a screenshot of text instead of just linking to the source?

    Downvoted. Were better than this.

    • blkpws@lemmy.ml
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      If you want, I can delete the photo, so we can talk about the topics, it's just a screenshot from Quora responses.

  • Alpharius@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    The post if overall very naive and while I do agree with using Linux for IT work he doesn't give the best point either.

    First of all, the customization. A lot of Linux users LOVE to point this out but 1. it isn't for everyone 2. it won't be compatible with every softwares. While modern Linux OS's tend to be well tailored for devs due to most the work being command bases and having version control, it will not work out for everyone either as for a lot people it won't be convenient. Most users just want an out of the box and ready to use OS rather than a never ending mess of fixing and customizing stuff.

    Second, and the most stupid thing from this post, is that Linux will never have any malwares due to it being "well secured". The reason why linux malwares aren't viral is because about 3% of people using a computer in the world use linux, even less for work considering that a lot of these people use SteamOS for playing games. Other than that, Linux is a kernel, It runs code. So on this basis Linux is as vulnerable as windows. And considering the biggest attack vector isn't some fancy exploits but someone sitting on chair in front of his computer, you can guess that Linux isn't out of risk of any cyber attacks.

  • BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    Point 2 is a reason it's not used or used for very specific use cases within a company. Companies don't want to make a custom distro that they have to support themselves, that costs money.

    The final point you made yourself the IT guys don't have Linux knowledge but they do have Windows knowledge. Easier and safer to stick with what you know than what you don't.

    • blkpws@lemmy.ml
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      About the point 2, it says that Windows cost much more than making your own distro which can be made by 1 single person if you know enough of Linux.

      About the final point, that is the excuse, "stick with what you know" so they aren't really doing their job providing us our needed tools to work with... That's what I blame, get some Linux IT expert and give support.

      • BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1 year ago

        I won't comment on point 2 as I think that has been answered suffiently. On the final point Linux support is more expensive. First line Linux support pays better than first line windows support because well. It is still nieche so workers can command better pay.

        You will also have to go through your whole application library and make sure it works, if it doesn't can you get it to work or do you have to move applications? That will be expensive and time consuming, more than likely someone does something once a year which is really really important who gets missed and you swapped over 6 months ago and now you have to hack a way for this process to work in 2 weeks to meet the deliverable.

        This isn't including training your staff. You have to retrain everyone which is going to be expensive. To be blunt a lot of regular users barely know how Windows works and any change to their way of working is going to be hell. Then you have the cost of retraining the whole IT department which is going to cost more than the regular users.

        Sticking with what you know may not be the right thing to do but it usually is the safest option.

        Don't get me wrong I would love Linux to take over the office space but I can't see that happeing in the next 20 years. Maybe in a startup it'll work but, moving from something so entrenched in your company is a very big and very scary ask.

  • nous@programming.dev
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    1 year ago

    Linux is ready for workplaces and has been for a very very long time. That is irrelevant if workplace IT support is not ready for Linux and has no budget or time to get ready for it. All your points are meaningless and have never been the problem. The problem is with management, policies and getting in house support for things and all the work involved in that. Depending on the size of the company it can take a lot of time effort and money to retrain IT staff to support Linux. And IT staff are already overworked, under-budgeted and don't always have the time to support extra things.

  • pH3ra@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    The thing is a little simplistic: Linux is perfect if your job is coding, working with enterprise web UIs, sending mail and/or using Office Suites, which to be fair is like 90% of office jobs.
    For the other 10% use cases, Linux isn't just ready yet because, for example, the company that produces analytic equipment doesn't even bother to acknowledge the existence of Linux for their data log software. And then there is Adobe. Adobe are just a bunch of removed.

  • PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Microsoft does a good job at keeping old software working alongside new software and will take a bullet for their customers. Linux doesn’t have anyone with that rep.

    • toikpi@feddit.uk
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      1 year ago

      From the Windows Community

      Does Windows 11 allow Windows 95 compatible computer games? ... It really depends on the game, you might get some working, some might not. It is really case by case basis unfortunately.

      https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/does-windows-11-allow-windows-95-computer-games/31ddfde0-7474-4d67-949d-ee5eab694aa9

      It appears that people may have to use virtual machines to run some Windows 95 software https://www.groovypost.com/howto/run-old-apps-on-windows-11/ The article doesn't mention using HyperV only 3rd party software.

      I prefer Linux simply but it isn't my tribe.

      Took a couple of minutes to find the information above