Are Maduro/the Venezuelan government any good? It seems like the people there fucking hate it. At least from r/VZLA. People are even saying they support sanctions just to hurt the government. The consensus seems to be that socialism caused all capital to flee and now the economy is in shambles and the government is corrupt. They blame socialism, essentially. I guess I just want to know how I can learn more about the country and what made it the way it is today.
Also here's something I have saved in my notes from some effort post from I don't remember which sub (note this is likely not super up to date) :
Venezuela Megathread: How Socialists Should Respond to Upcoming Events
As you all may have heard, there is a substantial uprising in Venezuela to overthrow the Maduro's government.. Lots of people are licking their chops to criticize the government for "economic failures", "food shortages", "toppling of dictators", and "SEE WHAT SOCIALISM DOES!". I want to use this as a guide for all those who are not buying that BS, and are seeing the true colors of Western imperialism and its war drum media to attack Venezuela.
But first, those socialists who say Venezuela is not "really socialism." Yes, I get it. They are not because labor does not own the mean of productions. But this is another example of how Western/US imperialism is attempting to trample a sovereign people who are voting these socialist into power. We should not be tearing them down when they are attempting to stabilize their socialist government from such imperialistic infiltration. We really need all hands on deck to push for more socialistic measures in Venezuela, and beating back the media frenzy is the way to do it.
Second, some sources come from Telesar (a pro-government media source). I ask that people focus on the information presented (mostly with primary sources) rather than using the strawman logical fallacy of attacking the source simply because it is bias. While I do agree that some of the narrative may be skewed, I am more focused on the raw data provided (documents, photos, interviews with locals, etc.) that show a different side to the crisis there.
Now, on to the refutations:
From u/big_al11:
Venezuela Before Chavez: Despite producing more than $300 billion of oil wealth between 1958-1998, the equivalent of 20 Marshall Plans, the majority of Venezuelans were living in shocking slums. By the 1990s, quality of life indicators for ordinary Caracas residents were slightly below Port-Au-Prince, Haiti. Between 1970-1997, workers' incomes declined by 50%, while poverty doubled between 1984-1991. There was widespread repression, with the previous 3 presidents all using censors and all suspending constitutional guarantees. The two main political parties, almost indistinguishable in ideologies shared the oil wealth between them, blocking out any third parties. Just in case, they rigged elections anyway, as 89% of Venezuelans believe. The LA Times' Bart Jones commented that the guy who came 4th in the 1993 election may have got the most votes. (Jones, B. Hugo!, p. 184.) Inflation reached 103% and there was considerable repression, like the infamous Caracazo where Jones describes “mass graves” filled with “mutilated corpses” of all ages. “Tied up corpses” with “bullets in the back of the head” and Red Cross workers gunned down in the street (Jones, Hugo, p.124). More here
Quick vid on Latin American economic imperialism
Documentary about Chavez and the failed 2002 coup,
Understanding the economics of Venezuela
1.) "The US has nothing to do with Venezuela's downfall!"
State Department leaked document on the US goals for Venezuela. "Fundamental interest in Venezuela; (1) That Venezuela continue to supply a significant portion of our petroleum imports....
Western NGOs funneling financial aid to oppositional uprising, with docs from WikiLeaks.
This is extremely important. Venezuela's undoing may be due to the falling of oil prices, but not completely. The US has been pouring $49 million dollars into the opposition for its government to oust Maduro.. This is not just the undoing of the government. This has loads of US infiltration, with a purpose stated from the State department. More docs concerning Western NGOs.
2.) "People are dying from food and medical shortages!"
Since 2014, Venezuelan government has been finding medical and food supplies being hoarded and buried by privateers.
Privateers hoarding food to sell at a higher profit in Columbia.
Opposition protesters burn 40 tons of food for poor families
Malnutrition trend on Venezuela from 1991-2015.
3.) "They are killing their people!"
Racially motivated attack from opposition
4.) "The people want Maduro out! He is creating a dictatorship through his Assembly!" (which really doesn't make any sense... Why would you get 545 new politicians in a new legislative body to create a dictatorship?)
Pictures on more pro-government rallies
5.) "They tampered with the votes"
Venezuelan election authority calling for an immediate investigatory audit..
For more info, check out u/blackbelt54's google doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LvHlf5LfND7zzipltzuifwR_7J2ilFCMJEvAA3wluGE/edit.
TL;DR: Quick refutation guide for those attempting to defend Venezuela from imperialist infiltration from the Western media frenzy against the government.
Edit: Be aware, other people may brigade this post.
Edit 2: Mods, can this be stickied? I think people can gain a lot from this info here.
Edit 3: Thanks u/sihplak for the great link to u/neurochic comment. Something very concerning this user said in their post, mainly:
Following this nationalization the largest U.S. oil company (Exxon Mobile), which at the time controlled most of our reserves, decided to leave Venezuela and sued our government.
It doesn't bode well for us that the new U.S. Secremovedy of State used to be the President of Exxon Mobile.
The biggest opposition parties in Venezuela are relatively new. The two biggest ones (Voluntad Popular and Primero Justicia) were created right around the time when Chavez rose to power. Their members frequently travel to Washington D.C. and call for foreign intervention to rid us of a socialist "dictatorship" (it isn't a dictatorship, that is a U.S. media narrative). These opposition parties are for the most part ideologically empty, run by oligarchs, supported by private Venezuelan news outlets that belong to the old right-wing oligarchy, and allied with the U.S government.
Anyone saying they support sanctions is outing themselves as a ghoul who is happy to watch poor people die. Also I love that they blame capital flight on the popularly elected socialists, not on the capitalists that were exploiting the country to begin with taking their toys and going home.
I don't really know anything about Venezuela, but a forum on a primarily english-speaking site (that, to my knowledge, doesn't even have non-english registration forms) isn't nessesary a good representation of a country's population. Like biggest russian language subreddit bans communists on sight and is fiercely anti-theistic which is very different from the results of national polls.
The consensus seems to be that socialism caused all capital to flee and now the economy is in shamble
This is true but it's an indictment of the elite not 'socialism.' When you reach the ridiculous level of income inequality characteristic of so many countries in Latin America the rich can tank a currency on the drop of a hat. Elections don't even have to take place for this to happen. I remember Brazil's currency devalued the second Lula started polling. So the elites can tank an economy BEFORE any opposition gets to enact policy. When the rich fuck off with their money the currency is devalued this has two disastrous consequences: First your dollar denominated debts become more expensive so you're immediately paying more on interest rates secondly your imports become more expensive. Both of these factors are more severe after decades of neoliberalism tying your economy to the world economy. This is the precarious situation maduro inherited.
When the rich fuck off with their money
I can think of a way to solve this problem