The Black Panthers did openly collaborate with the Young Patriots while they still used the Confederate flag. It was through mutual struggle that the Young Patriots politics changed.
Also, the Rainbow Coalition did not have a six-week education program. It was a political alliance between various ethnic groups in Chicago.
I'm not advocating for communists to align with the Boogaloo Boys. They are not an organization. There's nothing to align with. But I wouldn't be surprised to see elements from Boogaloo Boys organize and cooperate with Left-wing organizations.
I'm curious to know if any Lansing-based socialists, communists, or progressives have issued statements on the person Jimmy Dore interviewed.
If you don’t understand that class struggle is intersectional and want to link arms with boogaloo bois with no talk of de-radicalizing them first
Here's the fundamental misunderstanding. The cooperation between Black Panthers & Young Patriots did not begin at "de-radicalizing" them.
It began as a tenuous political alliance built on their opposition to the Chicago police & the exploitative conditions in the city. The Young Patriots had southern pride, white gang elements during their collaboration with the Black Panther. That changed through mutual struggle with the Black Panthers.
Studying movements such as Boogaloo Boys, and identifying opportunities for political alliances is not class reductionism. It is sound political strategy for a Left-wing movement inside a decaying state. Sometimes it will produce allies, sometimes it will produce broken alliances.
But all of this is in the abstract. The formation "Boogaloo Boys" takes in any city will be radically different.
The question is "we have similar objectives, to what extent does a political alliance make sense?" That question must be answered in every city with a Left-wing and a Boogaloo presence. It seems that the Boogaloo presence in Lansing has found common ground with Left-wing organizations.
I'm under the impression things will continue to become more violent & unstable in the US. I want as few of these armed militias to turn against my community as possible. That will involve negotiations & alliances.
The overall thing that's missing here is Jimmy Dore, supposedly a representative of "the left," interviews someone who represents a far right militia group. I can agree with "if you know a Boogaloo IRL they are worth pushing left," but that's just not what this is. Effectively this is going to be an organizational critical endorsement from "leftist" Jimmy Dore. Look at all the YouTube comments - "THIS is why the faux left & #fraudsquad hate Jimmy."
Since Jimmy fans fucking hate AOC now, what's the next logical step for one of these rightfully angry individuals? "Hey maybe MSM is lying, these Boogaloo pals are kinda like the left but less SJW and they hate AOC." Plus, when a fucking idiot like Jimmy Dore is in charge of the "left perspective," there is no actual leftist thought in the conversation, so giving the spotlight to a rep of an armed far right militia suddenly doesn't seem so crazy. But it is fucking crazy. Not to mention Jimmy Dore fans are probably the LEAST well read leftists online, and the MOST susceptible to far right radicalization.
As far as I can tell, the largest formations of boogaloo boys are just, Radical Liberals. Calling them a far-right militia doesn't feel like an accurate descriptor.
I agree that Jimmy Dore is an idiot, and framing the conversation as "the far-left should unify with the far-right" is insane. The person he was interviewing was not far-right. He are advocating civil liberties, protection for LGBTQ and non-white people, and capitalism. He is the definition of a Radical Liberal. Also, there's no way for boogaloo boys to unify with anyone because they are not actually an organization, it's a pro-gun & anti-government ideology. That ideology attracts a wide range of people, and the formation it will take in any region will look different.
The good faith interpretation of the situation is that left-wing organizations should not instinctively create enemies based on preconceived notions. We are in the worst economic crisis since the Depression. Last time this happened, there was mass extermination of Leftists. We need to be measured in our approach, build our own lines of communication with militias, and de-escalate tensions.
The Black Panthers did openly collaborate with the Young Patriots while they still used the Confederate flag. It was through mutual struggle that the Young Patriots politics changed.
Also, the Rainbow Coalition did not have a six-week education program. It was a political alliance between various ethnic groups in Chicago.
I'm not advocating for communists to align with the Boogaloo Boys. They are not an organization. There's nothing to align with. But I wouldn't be surprised to see elements from Boogaloo Boys organize and cooperate with Left-wing organizations.
I'm curious to know if any Lansing-based socialists, communists, or progressives have issued statements on the person Jimmy Dore interviewed.
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Here's the fundamental misunderstanding. The cooperation between Black Panthers & Young Patriots did not begin at "de-radicalizing" them.
It began as a tenuous political alliance built on their opposition to the Chicago police & the exploitative conditions in the city. The Young Patriots had southern pride, white gang elements during their collaboration with the Black Panther. That changed through mutual struggle with the Black Panthers.
Studying movements such as Boogaloo Boys, and identifying opportunities for political alliances is not class reductionism. It is sound political strategy for a Left-wing movement inside a decaying state. Sometimes it will produce allies, sometimes it will produce broken alliances.
But all of this is in the abstract. The formation "Boogaloo Boys" takes in any city will be radically different.
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I really think you are missing the point.
The question is "we have similar objectives, to what extent does a political alliance make sense?" That question must be answered in every city with a Left-wing and a Boogaloo presence. It seems that the Boogaloo presence in Lansing has found common ground with Left-wing organizations.
I'm under the impression things will continue to become more violent & unstable in the US. I want as few of these armed militias to turn against my community as possible. That will involve negotiations & alliances.
Uh, the fuck we do, my dude. I don't think race war is on the to-do list of anyone here.
Who, specifically, is trying to start a race war? Don't work with them.
The overall thing that's missing here is Jimmy Dore, supposedly a representative of "the left," interviews someone who represents a far right militia group. I can agree with "if you know a Boogaloo IRL they are worth pushing left," but that's just not what this is. Effectively this is going to be an organizational critical endorsement from "leftist" Jimmy Dore. Look at all the YouTube comments - "THIS is why the faux left & #fraudsquad hate Jimmy."
Since Jimmy fans fucking hate AOC now, what's the next logical step for one of these rightfully angry individuals? "Hey maybe MSM is lying, these Boogaloo pals are kinda like the left but less SJW and they hate AOC." Plus, when a fucking idiot like Jimmy Dore is in charge of the "left perspective," there is no actual leftist thought in the conversation, so giving the spotlight to a rep of an armed far right militia suddenly doesn't seem so crazy. But it is fucking crazy. Not to mention Jimmy Dore fans are probably the LEAST well read leftists online, and the MOST susceptible to far right radicalization.
As far as I can tell, the largest formations of boogaloo boys are just, Radical Liberals. Calling them a far-right militia doesn't feel like an accurate descriptor.
I agree that Jimmy Dore is an idiot, and framing the conversation as "the far-left should unify with the far-right" is insane. The person he was interviewing was not far-right. He are advocating civil liberties, protection for LGBTQ and non-white people, and capitalism. He is the definition of a Radical Liberal. Also, there's no way for boogaloo boys to unify with anyone because they are not actually an organization, it's a pro-gun & anti-government ideology. That ideology attracts a wide range of people, and the formation it will take in any region will look different.
The good faith interpretation of the situation is that left-wing organizations should not instinctively create enemies based on preconceived notions. We are in the worst economic crisis since the Depression. Last time this happened, there was mass extermination of Leftists. We need to be measured in our approach, build our own lines of communication with militias, and de-escalate tensions.
The boogaloo boys. You fucking idiot.