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...So you pick up a history book to figure out US's angle

From Peter Dale Scotts: American War Machine-Deep Politics, The Cia and the Global Drug Connection, and the Road to Afghanistan

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TL:DR the US turned Burma-Laos and Thailand into a heroin growing triangle (The Golden Triangle) much like they did with the Mafia in Sicily and Marseilles.

The Drug traffickers and drug money became a huge way of CIA to implant bourgeois ideology and suppress communists and the growing popularity of the PRC. They even used ex-Nazis as agents for drug smuggling. It also gave US unfettered access to Myanmars tungsten reserves.

This enitre coalition was directed at China of course.

    • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Every 👏 "Pro democracy" 👏 movement 👏 is 👏 a 👏CIA 👏 front

      From a previous comment I posted on Thai protests

      Who is coopting the protests?

      2 virulently antiChinese billionaires tied to Wallstreet finance and the Cia (Ned)

      Thaksin was part of the Carlyle group and Prime Minister of Thailand in early 00s where he sent Thai troops to Iraq to please US master and set up black site cia torture camps

      Why?

      Because Thailand is shifting rapidly into Chinas sphere of influence. In this light we should view the contradiction mostly in the light of US imperialism wanting to contain China and keep its US military bases and black site torture camps in Thailand

      Who is leading the protests?

      Thai Lawyers for Human Rights which is a Cia funded organisation. Of course they would be as their name gave me a fuzzy feeling

      https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fgw5PX5Y0Ds/Xz1ayUSjEuI/AAAAAAAATmY/0AW-PiXddKQmEWPOQU43Tkq4hgT6vrLsACNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Quote_StudentProtesters_Unquote.jpg

      Assembly of the Poor, claiming to represent Thailands rural poor is also Cia funded and their listed as a member of Neds website

      https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-z3zv9XaARpQ/X0Hl2S9soFI/AAAAAAAATrI/ybAmSMbO8SsJGmEsyji228IHKT117UFVQCNcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AOP_YouTube_ThaiPoorAct2.jpeg

      The people trying to rewrite the Thai constitution are named The Internet Law Reform Dialogue (iLaw) whos primary source of income is you guessed it Cia (Ned)

      https://hexbear.net/post/40588

        • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah I'm aware the guy that writes it is a white Thai nationalist that loves the Thai military

          However I don't care. He exposed that those groups are tied to CIA and that's all I do care about and those groups are listed on NEDs website and I don't care what his motives for doing so were (being a pro Thai rightist or Monarchist or being an anarchist or communist makes little difference)

          So while the US embassy denies NED is funding them....They're on NEDs website

          Here's a second source on it

          https://altthainews.blogspot.com/2020/09/us-embassy-denies-funding-thai-protests.html?m=1

            • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              The source I'm concerned with is the fact NED listed them on their website

              So they're still funded by NED/CIA

              https://www.ned.org/region/asia/thailand-2019/

              • astigmatic [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                I don’t have a side on this argument but I do not think a lot of people here realize that NED has money in pretty much everything in the third world, whether they’re direct assets or just vague humanitarianism. I happen to know of a Mexican org that gets legal help to indigenous prisoners who don’t speak Spanish. They get NED funding. It’s not a CIA regime change operation, it has no political pretensions that way. Just like that there’s a billion different things that NED has its hands on. Yes, of course there’s an overall bent towards liberal imperialist bullshit, and it is their job ultimately to secure the US’ sphere of control, but not everything that receives or has received money from NED is owned by the CIA.

                • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  They will pay and front orgs that are "good" and "doing good".

                  But their main purpose is to cultivate assets - to find leaders and people with charisma using these orgs to then use them for US foreign policy ends (either knowingly or unknowingly)

                  In Mexico you should be paying attention to these bastards as the fact Mexico is flooded with drugs and has seen more death in Mexico than Afghanistan in the recent past is directly tied to US foreign policy destabilising Mexico by weaponising drugs using the CIA and organised crime (Chapter 2 of the book this post is off)

        • Sealand_macronation [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          “blah blah monarchy amazing.” Are we really citing right wing blogs now?

          read Marx radlibs

          only gets a minority of its funding by the NED.

          lol

          • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            I need to save this thread.

            A year from now it will be more obvious these protests are a US operation with Thaksin Shinawatra at the helm. Radlibs here will pretend that no Leftists ever supported it.

              • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Yep. Judging by the upvotes, it's clear that ignoring US operations in Thailand is a popular position in this thread.

                Supporters of these protests must seriously grappled with the failures of past color revolutions. I don't trust anyone who refuses to learn lessons from Ukraine, Hong Kong, Libya, Syria, etc.

                The only Thai communist that I've read who has supported these protests is Giles Ji Ungpakorn. He supported all the color revolutions in the 2010's and has familial ties to Thailand's comprador bourgeoisie.

                No communist has provided a method for revolution under the dual pressures of the existing state & the US color revolution complex. I won't hear about them until their revolution succeeds, since they sure as hell won't get tenure from the Rockefeller Foundation.

                • ButtBidet [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  The only Thai communist that I’ve read who has supported these protests is Giles Ji Ungpakorn

                  I literally posted multiple times that RT Thailand is an openly communist group. Just because you aren't aware that it exists in the fact of obvious examples.. M

            • ButtBidet [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Congrats for quoting reactionaries in Thailand. Would you like to hear leftist local opinions?

              • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Sure. I'll see for myself whether it falls into the bin of actual materialist analysis, or "Marxist" myth-making. There were countless "Marxists" who supported regime change in Hong Kong, Ukraine, Syria, and Libya.

                • ButtBidet [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  My friend did a podcast with one of the leaders of the student protests. She's full commie and openly critical of libs and billionaires. I'll DM you and anyone that asks for it. It's my friend's podcast, so I'm hesitant to share to openly.

                  The website "Ugly Truth Thailand" has a good material, Marxist summary of Thailand, although the guy's a Trot. The same guy wrote "A Coup for the Rich", which has a good Marxist summary of recent Thai political history.

                  • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    Giles Ji Ungpakorn is the one who runs "Ugly Truth Thailand", right?

                    I'm reading through his history. He has had a horrible track record with identifying US State Department operations in US-enemy states.

                    Back in September 2019, he called the events in Hong Kong a "grassroots uprising", [1] despite the fact that any materialist would have highlighted Jimmy Lai's media empire pushing propaganda for the movement, and Joshua Wang meetings with thee US State Department.

                    In 2011, he actually compares his opponents in Thailand to the supporters of the Libyan & Syrian governments, which is a telling admission. [2]

                    His father, Puey Ungphakorn, was the governor of the Bank of Thailand under Shinawatra. His brother, Jon Ungphakorn, is an NGO executive in Thailand. His mother was an English national, and he received his education at the University of London.

                    This family seems tied up in the exact imperialist-Left world that I've been criticizing.

                    I'll listen to your friend's podcast. I'm most interested to hear Thai communists discuss the degree to which the US State Department has infiltrated protest movements in Thailand. That is the question that must be reckoned with to avoid repeating the mistakes in Hong Kong, Ukraine, Libya, Syria, etc.

      • machiavellianRecluse [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I am going to ask a bunch of stupid questions. Is there a source where I can read about just the composition of the protests. Is this mostly student led? Are there any examples of student led protests which have not been basically color revolutions? Are there any workers and peasants involved in this?

    • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      It seems ridiculous, but something about the protests seem off to me. They have the exact same aesthetics and similar tactics to the HK protests, and everyone seems way too well coordinated and equipped. Every time the US gets involved in a "pro democracy" protest they tend to adopt the same weird, reddity, westernized aesthetic (they're holding up the Hunger Games three-finger salutes FFS). It turns into a bunch of black-shirted young people holding up quotable signs in perfect English, no matter what country they're in. And I'm not saying Thailand's government is worth supporting - they're an absolute monarchy and the king is a total sleazebag - but they seem to have pretty normalized relations with China...

        • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          Sometimes this is different in countries with American influence or a large English speaking population, but when a protest's demands are "democracy" without ideology and their aesthetic appeals to western audiences, it's always a reason to at least be skeptical.

          Like, remember when Overwatch characters were going to save Hong Kong :agony-limitless:

        • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          Wait they went ML? I actually hadnt heard about that. I guess the last few pro democracy protests ive seen have just put a bad taste in my mouth but I'd be interested to learn more

            • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
              ·
              4 years ago

              Lottt of CIA fronts here comrade

              https://www.ned.org/region/asia/thailand-2019/

                • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
                  ·
                  4 years ago

                  The “Thai Poor Act” is not the fucking “Assembly of the Poor”

                  So In Land Destroyers article he says it's not the same name but he found a youtube channel with a similar name. So he puts a question mark over that one.

                  So you've "debunked" 1 out of the 3 organistations 2 of which are on NED/CIAs website

                  you disengenous right wing shit

                  Wew lad. Yup I'm right wing forehead