Many on the Latte Left facilitated this new era of fascist censorship. Remember when people didn't care that folks who were accurately assessing the situation between Ukraine and Russia were targeted and silenced?

  • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    The Latte Left AKA virtually all of my professional-managerial class peers, including almost all of the ones who joined the DSA. It seems they’ll never get the several Russiagates out of their heads, despite all of them having been debunked. Fuck you, Rachel Maddow.

  • Doug [he/him]@midwest.social
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    11 months ago

    Yep. Leftists are regularly fighting back against misinformation and carefully crafted narratives designed to make people believe lies even if said narrative isn't expressly untrue.

    But masses of anti-war activists and so-called leftists in the US have now decided that war isn’t so bad

    Nope. War is still bad, which is why the invading country should stop or be made to stop if they won't do so voluntarily.

    Here's a fun exercise. If a foreign hostile power invaded the area you live in, using an excuse that has enough elements of truth to not technically be a flat out lie, how much of that land should be given up to appease them?

    It's ok. Don't feel obligated to answer. I'm certainly not coming back to this thread.

  • masquenox@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    You lost me at "Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine." You can just call it what it is... an invasion.

    And if you think "the left" in the US is so powerful that it could have made any kind of dent in the narratives surrounding Russia's invasion of Ukraine I have to call bullshit.

    • §ɦṛɛɗɗịɛ ßịⱺ𝔩ⱺɠịᵴŧ@lemmy.ml
      hexagon
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      11 months ago

      When it comes to war, the two parties are always in agreement. There's way too much Lockheed and friends money ensuring bombs are going to decimate foreign land for any other outcome. The two sides were in total agreement when deciding to start the Ukrainian coup in 2014. Pretty nuts how Russia gets blasted for their move, while the US overthrowing the government and installing a hand picked "president" is consistently glossed over, don't you think?

      • masquenox@lemmy.ml
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        11 months ago

        When it comes to war, the two parties are always in agreement.

        And that's the left's fault how?

          • masquenox@lemmy.ml
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            11 months ago

            There is no "left" in formal, establishment politics - none. Formal establishment politics is fundamentally right-wing - therefore, blaming the actions of political establishments on any left is inane.

        • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
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          11 months ago

          Well obviously in a first past the post system there are only two options, so we have to vote for the blue war-mongers, lest the red-warmongers win. This is the narrative that is pushed every single election by many "on the left."

  • SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
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    11 months ago

    It's really hard to contain the snark in response to this screed. But, this is also a serious question: When you lump large numbers of people, each with their own beliefs, principles, and motivations, into a fictitious group you dub "the Latte Left," isn't shocking how they don't all speak and act in a consistent manner?!

    That is, when criticizing and throwing accusations of perfidy, name names and bring receipts. None of this innuendo, and absolutely no passive voice. As far as I can tell, this author isn't talking about any real person.

    • §ɦṛɛɗɗịɛ ßịⱺ𝔩ⱺɠịᵴŧ@lemmy.ml
      hexagon
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      11 months ago

      I understood it to be referencing how many moves are made with unanimous consent in the Senate and the House. The fact is in the states Bernie is considered a far left socialist by most, while in Europe he'd be considered center right. This being the case, the term "Latte Left" is an attempt to demonstrate there's no actual left option in the US. Regardless of which party someone votes for, both are war hungry and willing to sell their votes.

      • SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
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        11 months ago

        I'm tired after a long day of work, so I may be missing something, but...

        If there's no actual left in the U.S., then how can leftists be to blame for laying the groundwork for anything?

        • §ɦṛɛɗɗịɛ ßịⱺ𝔩ⱺɠịᵴŧ@lemmy.ml
          hexagon
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          11 months ago

          While in the big picture they are conservative, they still are referred to as the left in the US due to the other party being more conservative. Basically it's conservative vs more conservative, but by classifying them as left provides the illusion of having liberal and conservative political options.

          • SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
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            11 months ago

            Which rather bolsters my observation that the author isn’t really talking about real people that exist, just the imaginary leftists that Republican politicians love to blame.