Like my base assumption is that she's wrong. If you think the PMC is an actual class then you're also only one step away from 🤡

https://twitter.com/jacob__posts/status/1367492298783744001?s=19

  • a_dog [any,he/him]
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    4 years ago

    no they’re not. you can become a teacher with just a college degree, you don’t have to have any training at all. it’s also low pay and low authority and prestige. barely a profession.

    • rolly6cast [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      It's still considered a part of the PMC, because a college degree in education is considered professional. It's why the term doesn't make sense.

      • a_dog [any,he/him]
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        4 years ago

        it’s about prestige, authority, education and income. no one counts teachers.

        • rolly6cast [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Teachers and nurses are explicitly part of the PMC as the term was formed. Educational background, cultural sensibilities, and the like, not even income per se in its original conception or in most of the analysis. The entire point people like Liu and Ehrenreich using it is downwardly mobile, but attempting to combine that into a singular "class" that isn't coherent. If you dislike intermediate managers, if you dislike the petty bourgeois, sure, but those would work better to refer to rich people than "PMC".

            • rolly6cast [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              They are, by the creator of the term, by the scope of the term, and by how it's still used today by most people using it, which involves professionals like teachers and nurses, due to a shared educational background and basic cultural norms (the core part of "PMC", as it was used originally and as it is still used now where most analysis involves looking at the culture and personalities) with the managerial position petty bourgeois. If you don't mean to include teachers, use "rich people" instead and you'd already be more accurate.

              • a_dog [any,he/him]
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                4 years ago

                true except for the third and important criterion. it’s not how it’s used.

                • rolly6cast [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  That is how it's still used today, in both academic settings as well as online informal settings, whether it's social media or media people like Matt. For in person organizing in DSA affiliated groups, the term sometimes comes up, with attempted addendums to exclude this or that proletariat occupation each time because it's still used to include proletarians in social media circles near to DSA when something negative comes up related to them.

    • asaharyev [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Not only do most states require a master's degree, you also have to have teaching licensure.

      I'm required to do 150 hours of training over the course of every 5 years in order to renew my license. Some in my subject matter, some in pedagogy, some in SEI education, and some in special education.

      But go off, I guess.

      • a_dog [any,he/him]
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        4 years ago

        bachelor’s degree in anything, no training in my state