God you people are predictable. The second people call you out you scream “lib”.

The funny thing is for all your spleen venting John Oliver has undoubtedly done more to advance the goals of the American left than you ever have. He has introduced basic left wing talking points about race, the economy, history, societal structures and the deep systemic flaws within and made them palatable and easy to understand for the average American citizen (amazingly the average American is not a Twitter Bolshevik).

I actually credit John Oliver with helping me become more left. Because of his videos on the subject I wanted to learn more left wing things and I discovered Lindsay Ellis, then Shaun, then from Shaun Contrapoints and from her Three Arrows and then philosophy tube and Some More News, renegade cut. All because a funny comedian met me where I was at and got me interested in politics.

(I can't wait for you to explain to me how all those people are actually sucky sellout libs).

If you actually want leftist goals to succeed you have to convince the average person to adopt leftist beliefs and that means conversing with them on their level.

I seriously don’t understand what wannabe revolutionaries like you sneering and sniping at people online and demeaning them and calling them shitty libs actually accomplishes.

Do you think they’ll stick around and listen to your brilliant theory analysis after you basically told them to go fuck themselves?

Is it praxis to be on par with a dead pigs rotten asshole in terms of charisma and charm?

Or are you actually seriously delusional enough to think that there are enough of you and you are well organised enough to bypass electoralism all together and have a revolutionary war?

(🎵DOOONT STOP BELIEEEEVIN’🎵)

But whatever you think, as you are now you are not the solution to the lefts problem, rather you are an annoying parasite that alienates fence sitters, causes infighting and validates right wing narratives.

And the only reason you do it is entirely for selfish reasons. So that you get to feel intellectually and ethically superior to others.

Grow up and leave the tankie larping to the playground!

    • SadSoulja [love/loves]
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      3 years ago

      I don’t know if they are or not, I’m certainly not going to take the word of US State department propagandists but one thing that has been troubling me is that if CCP leadership were to decide they want to round up the Uighurs and throw them into camps I feel like there is no line they could cross that would make a lot people here change their mind on the issue.

      Like why can’t you be a leftist even if China does happen to do fucked up things now or in the future? America is a million times worse on imperialism historically but no country is infallible, you can support China and the Chinese people even while questioning what is going on with our Muslim Uighur comrades. I’m not sure if this is confirmed but if China’s official stance is they do have some of them in re-education camps that’s cause for concern on its own. When in history have the people in power re-educating a less powerful group ever decided “oh okay you guys learned your lesson you are welcome back now”?

      Leftists should never view the world as black and white, I’m a leftist who is concerned about the Uighurs but hopefully my concerns are unfounded. Will pray for love all around regardless. Bless

      -Soulja

      • volkvulture [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Sinophobia is not Leftism

        You say that you "feel like" this, or "that has been troubling" you, but this is all vague posturing on your part. You have no real substance or evidence. That just means you strain & wish desperately for China to be some kind of pariah in your mind

        No genocide or crimes against humanity are occurring. However, many terrorist attacks have occurred in Xinjiang since the 1990s

        VOA said in 2014 that knife attacks by Uyghurs & Hui had increased division in these areas and that PRC and those groups were taking necessary steps to alleviate the problem

        https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/china-muslims-work-change-perceptions-after-knife-attacks

        Why are the Uyghurs who wind up outside the purview all conveniently working for the CIA & making up disproven lies?

        https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/china-focus-survey-debunks-lies-on-xinjiangs-population/ar-BB192OCp

        "between 1990 and 2001 the ETIM had committed over 200 acts of terrorism, resulting in at least 162 deaths and over 440 injuries.[23] The UN Security Council Al-Qaida Sanctions Committee has listed ETIM as a terrorist organization since 2002.[24]"

        hundreds of people have been murdered over the years by Uyghur extremists in Xinjiang

        are you saying this isn't evidence of the existence of a Salafi jihadist militant group in XUAR?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kashgar_attacks

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2014_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_attack

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2014_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_attack

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party

        "The TIP are believed to have links to al-Qaeda and affiliated groups such as the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan,[235] and the Pakistani Taliban"

        "The Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP) is an Islamic extremist terrorist organisation seeking the expulsion of China from "East Turkestan".[230] Since its emergence in 2007 it has claimed responsibility for a number of terrorist attacks,"

        France also has been dealing with a spate of beheadings and terrorist knife attacks recently, and France also has re-education camps for terrorists in their country

        https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/france-fights-terror-with-re-education-camps-plan-7wg9vrrgd

        PRC is not jailing anyone, unless they're convicted criminals of course. And the vocation training centres are voluntary to join in Xinjiang

        https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/7/30/china-most-people-in-xinjiang-camps-have-returned-to-society

        https://thediplomat.com/2014/10/chinese-salafism-and-the-saudi-connection/

        The Chinese Hui Muslims also had been engaged in this correspondence with the cynical Western & Saudi attempts to infiltrate and destabilize Xinjiang

        Even Colin Powell's former Chief of Staff and ex Army Colonel admitted that the US grand strategy against China is to try and destabilize the region & radicalize Uyghurs against PRC

        https://youtu.be/lBthA9OHpFo?t=51

        The CIA has always used false tales in the Western media to lie about Communist countries lol. They did it with USSR & Yugoslavia & they did it with Cuba and they are doing it today in connection with PRC

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1tfkESPVY&t=251s

        There is former CIA agent John Stockwell telling Western media outlining the propaganda war that the US wages on communists & non-aligned countries.

        These women in Xinjiang are glad to be able to control their own bodies now, and Adrian Zenz Christian zealotry is not going to change this

        this situation has been defused by CPC's actions & the will of the Xinjiang people to move past the extremism & backwardness and into the more integrated future

        Sounds like you're the one in denial lol. Your "concerns" definitely are unfounded

        But did you know that the US also kept Uyghurs in Guantanamo as suspected terrorists?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_detainees_at_Guantanamo_Bay

        Uyghur spooks were also used to torture other Muslim detainees under American custody, except America did all of this in contravention of international law & human rights observations

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rushan_Abbas

        Uyghurs are now moving away from that precipice of radicalism & accepting a better deal from the PRC to receive uplift & social & economic development

        • SadSoulja [love/loves]
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          3 years ago

          I am not sinophobic wtf lol you might be Islamophobic though. Look I know that many instances of “radical Islamic terrorism” have occurred in Xinjiang and it’s a contentious region, but if you think any government on the planet won’t lump a few innocent members of a group in with the bad actors you are very naive, to say “no crimes against humanity” are occurring so definitely is to assume that China is the first country to ever 100% accurately ascertain who is and who isn’t a radical. I’m sure they do better than the US did domestically post-9/11 but you seem certain that they’ve nailed it perfectly. Very strange.

          I’m well-aware the United States (and France to a somewhat lesser degree) commits many indefensible acts and I know Zenz is an evangelical CIA kook. Still, your response feels unnecessarily combative and anyone reading it should be weary of anyone claiming to know the “ultimate truth” like you are with your comment:

          Sounds like you’re the one in denial lol. Your “concerns” definitely are unfounded

          I’m not in denial of anything here, I’m certain the CIA is bad, yet I’m also not 100% convinced China is perfectly innocent here like you seem to be. Also you have to know shit sounds like CCP propaganda the other way:

          These women in Xinjiang are glad to be able to control their own bodies now

          What does that even mean?

          this situation has been defused by CPC’s actions & the will of the Xinjiang people to move past the extremism & backwardness and into the more integrated future

          Uyghurs are now moving away from that precipice of radicalism & accepting a better deal from the PRC to receive uplift & social & economic development

          Those last 2 literally read like PR statements lol trust me I realize the CIA interferes with China in a major way but if you can’t see the value in questioning it’s activity in the region then you’re not being impartial yourself. And again fuck outta here accusing me of being sinophobic for posting in good faith.

          -Soulja

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            There are no crimes against humanity occurring, nor are there any proven to be occurring. I would say that you erring on the side of "China bad" is wrong here, and reveals deeper-seated biases on the face of it

            Yes, the CIA is bad, and whether you're 100% convinced or not is immaterial in the context of admitting that the CIA tailors foreign news stories & stokes unrest and insurrectionary separatist splinter cells in foreign countries. Whether you think it's combative that someone is skeptical of your doubling-down even after admitting Zenz' lies & CIA meddling, I think you need to examine more closely here

            https://qz.com/1954520/china-says-it-saved-uyghur-women-from-being-baby-making-machines/

            Offering family planning & women's healthcare in these historically underdeveloped region is a sign of modernity & uplift extended to these places. To assume it's something else is to against err on the side of feudalistic backwardness rather than real social cohesion & integration of these people's into the unified whole.

            CPC has sovereign control in the places & those People have to manage their own affairs. I will err on the side of China's unity & stability as PRC has always been a multi-ethnic & multi-national polity.

            The CIA intervenes in a major way. You admit that. Nothing else really matters without any evidence.

            I don't think you intend to be hateful in your remarks, but reverting back to anti-communist bias without any real evidence of "crimes" in Xinjiang (outside of Salafi jihadist violence) is not Leftism or nuance or even-handedness. It's just a kneejerk reaction & "Otherization" of the specific context in PRC