These are my beliefs:

  • Workers should control where they work at and receive proper equity from the value they create.
  • Non-essential industries should not be controlled by the government, essential industries should be, for the most part.
  • People should be able to have some say in who gets into government positions (at a minimum, like Vietnam or Cuba).
  • Social democrats are not the same as fascists.
  • Regular people (non-politicians, pundits and/or wealthy people) who happen to be liberals are likely well-intentioned and could be educated.
  • Military action should not be taken unless you are being directly threatened by another country.
  • LibsEatPoop3 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Proper equity from the value they create would be 100%.

    All industries all essential.

    Not just government positions, but even non-government positions of hierarchy/power.

    Don’t look at what countries believe in peace time. Look at what they do when their backs are against the wall. Look how quickly France is turning fascist. SucDems may not individually be Fashies but the system they support will kill a million brown people to keep capitalism on life support.

    Everyone can be educated. But we don’t have the time - the planet is burning, my friend

    Bourgeois states exist to oppress their own people and to profit off of the exploitation of others. If we live in a socialist country, we absolutely have a duty to free others from the oppression we’ve overthrown in our own country.

    • Ryan_Holman [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Proper equity from the value they create would be 100%.

      Correct.

      All industries all essential.

      I would argue that commodity and entertainment production, each of which existed in "socialist" countries, are not essential.

      Don’t look at what countries believe in peace time. Look at what they do when their backs are against the wall. Look how quickly France is turning fascist. SucDems may not individually be Fashies but the system they support will kill a million brown people to keep capitalism on life support.

      Yeah, if people who say they are not fascists start doing fascist-like behaviors or even outright fascism, I would have to conclude that they are fascists.

      Everyone can be educated. But we don’t have the time - the planet is burning, my friend

      I mean this as a genuine question, what are we supposed to do with the normal people not on our side? Perhaps we get power, no matter the method, what are we to do with these people?

      Bourgeois states exist to oppress their own people and to profit off of the exploitation of others. If we live in a socialist country, we absolutely have a duty to free others from the oppression we’ve overthrown in our own country.

      Yes, you should have solidarity with foreign movements and try to aid them, if you can. All I am saying is that if your country is invaded or what have you, it has a right to defend itself. If fascists invaded the socialists, the socialists would be in the right to defend themselves from and defeat the fascists.

      • LibsEatPoop3 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        There is nothing to be gained (and everything to be lost) from having a for-profit mindset for entertainment/commodities. A non-profit mindset can only be supported by removing the profit motive which is achieved via nationalising.

        SucDem nations are currently doing fascist actions while still calling themselves SucDem.

        If and when we get power, the bourgeois aren’t gonna be on our side. We will have to spectate them from power, not anyone else. We will have to, say, put Tim Cook in house arrest and reorganise Apple. You’ll be surprised how quickly we can deal with climate change once we get power.

        Socialists have a duty to defend themselves and free others.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Not having entertainment subsidised and administrated at a fairly high level basically ensures the destruction of large sections of the arts. (pretty much all professional performing arts, ballet, classical music etc). Even if they're constantly sold out, they've never turned a profit.

        • Ryan_Holman [he/him]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          I think there's a distinction between subsidizing art and preventing the artists from having autonomy.

      • JuneFall [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Socialists have the right to free the people of fascist countries, NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

          • JuneFall [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            If fascists invaded the socialists, the[n] socialists would be in the right to defend themselves from and defeat the fascists.