Like the closest thing to workers owning the means of production currently is coop businesses and Cuba is supporting that quite a bit but their economic model is state capitalist. Though yea, socialist orgs are definitely taking off, the local libertarian group here has never had this many members or this much success with organising.

Considering there arent any socialist countries today that would mean we are kinda boned.

Wow, that is some bad title. I would say concerns are justified if Russia can just keep annexing chunks from other countries. It started with Georgia and Ukraine and we can see the same events happening in Moldova currently.

Also if Russia were to share a proper border with Poland then that's pretty much guaranteed WW3, Poland hates Russia with a passion.

If you don't know how punctuations work just add em everywhere, some have to be correct then

Dictatorship of the proletariat as Marx wrote has never been achieved and arguably(Depending on how naive you believe Lenin was) has never even been worked towards. MLs bastardization of that in the form of a vanguard party is just a different dictatorship of the bourgeoisie as it creates a ruling class.

Yes, the USSR annexing it's neighbours and then exporting their resources and people was very much imperialism.

The workers party we are forming will be domocratic with no strongman.

It really depends on which bourgeois democracy. I may agree if compared to the US (I'm not too educated on the US so I could be wrong) but few others.

Though I fail to understand how that has anything to do with the topic of tankie having a consistent definition.

Do you believe capitalism is good because it helped some people? The whole point of socialism is to put the means of production into the hands of the workers and not a vanguard party. Yea, the USSR did quite a lot of imperialism which it used to reduce income inequality of the Russian people but it was never socialist.

You're wrong, what Marx talked about was the whole class of workers being in power. Stalin perverted that idea to a vanguard party. Stalin's system has always resulted in a ruling class composed of a class that was no longer the proletariat (if they even were to begin with). That system is not socialist, it is in fact no better than a capitalist system, as the hierarchies at work are equally unjust.

You mean the guy in charge after the death of Lenin? Who Lenin warned against?

No, I do not. I made it clear multiple times that dictatorships with socialist aesthetics aren't socialist in any other way.

Nah, first premise is false in more than one way. You are conflating the ideology Stalin made with Marxism.

The second error is that there has never been a dictatorship of the proletariat, every time it has been a political party that seizes power for themselves and not the workers. In doing so they become the ruling class with differing class interests than the workers.

Marx must be rotating in his grave with the speed to power the whole globe at this point.

Yea, people that supported a dictatorial regime with socialist aesthetics as in the USSR. What part of that has changed?

No idea what the first link is even about, seems incomprehensible. The second link seems true but I have no idea what was said prior. The third link is about programming. Seems there is one potential example of an anarchist being called a tankie. Seems like the vast majority of times it's being used in reference to MLs still.

In all seriousness there are plenty of people who misuse words but tankie seems to have a very clear and easily defined definition, it has even remained the same historically. Comparing it to the crazies using 'woke' is dishonest at best.

I have only seen it used in reference to people who support dictatorial regimes with socialist aesthetics, mostly MLs. I have yet to see an anarchist be called a tankie. Also you can hear it IRL, not commonly though since most MLs are on twitter and the like and not IRL.

Currently our group has been working on raising avereness of unions since there are a lot of white collar workers that aren't a member of any union. We are also trying to popularise the coop business model especially in the public sector. We are also advocating for wealth redistribution reforms. The USSR kinda ruined calling yourself a socialist(And calling yourself a communist here will more likely get you punched here) so a lot of advocacy has been about pushing for socialist ideas with different wording.

For more long term we are hoping to get unions more involved in government and possibly form a worker's party with the union members.

As you yourself said: it's untainted by existing practice, there is no existing strategy as in its new. In relation to the numerous failed attempts at socialism through dictatorship it's better to try something new and not keep shooting the working class in the foot.

You attributed some failed strategy to me and then accused me of purity testing states that are only aesthetically socialist. That response had nothing to do with what I said.

Was Stalin the president of the US? Is the US the leader of socialism or something? The US has nothing to do with socialism, like I have been part of my local anarchist group for years and no one has ever even mentioned the US.