So Reddit has decided to fight back, eh?

Driving tanks over thousands of people was metaphorical for mass murder....

I know you guys think Wikipedia is CIA propaganda, but this page is actually a pretty great summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

This is not to say that Capitalism is better in any way. Capitalism and Colonialism and Feudalism has killed infinitely more people than any communist regime. But the fact of the matter is - we disagree with mass murder. It is antithetical to the fundamental goals and philosophies of leftist thought.

And that mass murder and contradiction is PRECISELY why we do not attract more people to our cause. Turns out, people like hypocrites even less than they like literal nazis (who are at least not afraid to admit that they want to commit mass murder).

And I think you guys also typically lump anarchists in with "libs" falsely associating us with capitalist liberals, which, if I didn't have such a sense of humor about all this, I would be just as offended at being called a "lib" as you are being called a "tankie". Because I'm NOT for capitalism. I'm deeply disturbed and ashamed of the history of Capitalist and Feudal regimes and exploitation.

I don't sit there and say "Accusations of capitalist/colonial mass murder is KGB propaganda! You're banned from the community!"

And that's precisely why I'm an anarchist. I believe that these power structures inevitably lead to abuse, no matter what the ideology behind them ends up being.

You mind is already made and you are not hiding it

"Bad Faith" means that you're just engaging to "dunk" on the opponent, and have no intention of actually listening or considering their arguments.

You have your viewpoint and I have mine, and the entire point of discussing these things is to share our viewpoints and learn from each other. Hiding our viewpoints and pretending that we're blank slates is more in "bad faith" than not hiding them, in my view.

You guys don't ever claim to be "blank slates" when engaging in these conversations. Why should I? Doesn't that make you just as much in "bad faith" as it does me?

if you actually read ML spaces you would find plenty of hate for open fascists too.

I have read lots of ML spaces, and listened to ML podcasts and watched ML channels on youtube and twitch. The VAST majority of the content is criticizing the "center-left" rather than the common enemy of all three of us (of the far left, the lib left, and the center left) - we all hate nazis, and until the far-right ideologies are eradicated, I see no point in punching our allies in that fight.

The “British” part is btw very old joke, to which you respond we “love the murdering bastards”. Yikes.

I did no such thing. In fact, one of the biggest things we disagree with the British on is colonialism and the mass-murder that they perpetrated.

Again, I don't say "Accusations of capitalist/colonial mass murder is KGB propaganda!"

I do know where it came from.

But it's not a national origin thing like being called "British" would be. It's more of a philosophical thing. You guys are perfectly okay with driving tanks over thousands of people (rich people, but people nonetheless). That's what people mean when they call you "tankies".

I don't think it's the same as calling an American "British". Because Americans don't agree with the British on many subjects. Whereas you guys seem to love Stalin and Mao and Castro and other murdering bastards.

Can I ask you something else? Why do you guys seem to vehemently hate "liberals" more than you hate conservatives/fascists? I mean, if I'm at a party, I would much rather talk to a liberal than a conservative. But you guys seem to want to push liberals away.

I'd like to discuss why tankies are so offended at being called tankies, for one thing. I think it's a cute name.

Oh look, you do have a sense of humor!

But it's actually not a joke. I would LOVE to discuss this with you. Honestly. That's literally what being in "good faith" is.

...how? Let's discuss!

you dropped a boring liberal accusation and then got butthurt

No, I got banned. There's a difference.

throwing even more insults in every post

Where have I insulted you? Also, I specifically built this DIFFERENT community so that we could banter and not get butthurt like you seem to be doing with your accusations of me "insulting" you.

clearly bad faith

I'm not sure what your definition of "bad faith" is, but clearly you're misinterpreting all of my comments and posts. I'm the only one in this particular conversation who wants to talk about the subject rather than lob ad-hominem attacks.

go to a place even like the deprogram sub which is aimed at deprogramming libs

LOL.. funny you should mention that...

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They have ZERO interest in "deprogramming libs". They just want to continue to "dunk on libs" and that's all they care about.

“hey genocide deniers, how it’s going!”

You guys literally endorse mass-murder and aren't willing to discuss any alternatives.

throw passive-aggressive comment showing everyone you don’t really want to discuss

I literally made the post on LemmyGrad precisely BECAUSE I DO want to discuss this stuff. I literally created this community on Lemmy precisely BECAUSE I want to discuss this stuff.

You should write to admins to appeal the ban

I've had too much experience with tankies elsewhere to be as naive as to think they would ever reverse a ban on someone they considered a "lib".

That’s blatantly untrue

I've never had any luck with any sort of reasoned discussion with tankies. It always just devolves into them calling me a "lib" and telling me to "go read".

*edit: Or them rage-quitting, like you seem to have done in this thread. Thanks for proving my point, by the way. :)

Maybe clearly implying we are “genocide supporters”

See, why do you guys keep trying to deny it? You keep trying to justify mass-murder as "merely classicide" and therefore that makes it "justified" somehow.

Are you just tripling down with “it was a joke”?

No, what I'm saying is that tankies take offense at being called tankies, and it's pathetic. Why not just own it? Why not laugh and call yourselves tankies? Why not take the power back? Why not enjoy yourselves NOT at the expense of others? Are you capable of that?

Bruh

Bruh what? The only humor I ever see in tankie forums is dunking on libs. Point me to where they dunk on nazis. Point me to where they dunk on Republicans. I'll wait.

Exactly. I feel like this is one of those instances of "We're spending time thinking about whether or not we could, when we should be thinking about whether or not we should."

I actually was trying to figure out how Lemmy works, so I had a lemmygrad account, and a lemmy.ml account. I believe I posted the original using my lemmy.ml account and then when I was logged in to my lemmygrad account I posted the comment you screenshotted there.

That comment was in reply to them thinking I was someone else that must have been a problem in the past. And it's also me venting a bit about how tankies typically don't want to discuss anything, they just want to call you names and boot you. I realized after the first few walls of text came in that there was not going to be any discussion to be had in that thread.

Anyway, I'm so frustrated by the lack of sense of humor that tankies have. As a "lib" it's funny to me that they won't just own the "tankie" epithet and embrace it. The denial and defensiveness is what's frustrating and hilarious to me.

I'm not "taking potshots" at tankies. Tankies know where they stand with me. They just don't seem to have any sense of humor about anything other than "dunking on libs".

I got banned before I was allowed to discuss anything there.

And the actual ban message was "liberal", I shit you not:

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Lemmygrad is actually a different server/instance of Lemmy, and it is run by actual tankies who ban anyone who's not a tankie. They do not allow any sort of disagreement or discussion. They exist purely to "dunk on libs".

I've been banned already from there. Their reasoning? "Being a lib" (forget that I'm literally a communist for a second, and you get the picture).

You can see my post there if you want. It's literally at the top of the list. I say fuck 'em.