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People disagree with things most everyone on sjw would agree with.
People disagree with things most everyone on sjw would agree with.
I think the moral position is to advocate to minimize the number of lives lost and injustice done over all, not just the number of lives lost during the war. But I agree all other things being equal, a less life costly war is better.
Russia does pretty aggressive demographic reshaping to areas they've conquered. Like in Crimea, they moved much of the local population and replaced them with people more loyal to Russia. It isn't just to move people around like that, uprooting peoples lives for more favorable demographics. Plus the stress of being forced to move to somewhere unfamiliar is also quite difficult, causing some shorter lifespan. If Russia conquers more territory, they'll likely do the same there. That will lead to increased distress and death. So that needs to be weighed against the cost of war.
The bigger concern though is the longer term outlook of Russia. If Russia is able to start more wars, that will kill many many people. So we do not want an outcome of this war that will permit more wars to result. If Russia is right and Western support for Ukraine just dries up and they can take territory and people, Russia will be more inclined to try it again other places in the future. This invasion was based off of their successful invasions of Crimea and Georgia (sorry brain slip) for example.
I would like a quick end to the war, but not one that sacrifices many civilians or leads to more war in the future. So I support giving Ukraine as much aid as is reasonable to quickly win the war to minimize loss of life.
Why just war theory matters is because the public still influences policy in democratic countries. If a war is unjust, the public is more likely to be against it, which is bad for reelection chances of those involved. I agree we shouldn't take the government's justification at face value, but instead form an opinion based on our moral framework. So it's still useful to critique the government since they need to listen at least a bit.
Edit: also, the death of civilization, especially children is usually more unjust than the death of willing combatants. This effect isn't huge, but minimizing civilian casualties is better than minimizing military casualties.
I count authoritarian mostly as little to no way for the citizens to effect policy changes. Plus their very heavy handed on controlling their population.
Functional liberal democracies are pretty far from that, since people have feedback, and because of that, the population isn't ruthlessly controlled.
So temporarily sterilisation? The important question would be whether it is forced.
Maybe? Then they can look like they're not limiting the population while doing it covertly.
Because there's been change in the past, and there is gradual positive change generally happening.
But also because throwing out the system entirely very often leads to power hungry authoritarian groups or people taking advantage of the power vacuum. And they're not as easily dislodged.
I mentioned to a different commenter, but I'll copy here. I guess justified might be stretching it, since some people were saying morality and justice were useless to try and apply to nations. I guess that would be defending the amorality of Russia?
As a stop gap, I've just blocked all their communities.
Fair enough. I hope you apply the same reasoning to other sources like Russian, North Korean, or Chinese sources?
I'm not seeing anything. I guess it was removed before I saw it. I don't know what it said, I'm sorry if I appeared to be defending it.
Yesterday someone had said crazies was a slur. I thought that's what you were referring to.
Yeah there were some good ones in there. But I got sucked into answering and asking several hundred questions for 6 hours and didn't think it would be a good thing to do regularly.
But you were obviously being sarcastic, so I thought you are advocating the opposite.
So you can throw out all western sources out of hand?
I blocked all hexbear communities after last night, sorry for not getting back to you. There were just to many conversations going on at once.
Yeah I don't think yours were the most wrong takes on Russia out there. I can't see them now though since I blocked the community. I guess justified might be stretching it, since some people were saying morality and justice were useless to try and apply to nations. I guess that would be defending the amorality of Russia?
I don't know y'all considered crazy a slur. Sorry
Edit: considered not confused
That's why I clarified that there was a approx. 10% across the county vs a 60% decrease in that area.
Except all the evidence your ignoring because it's from western sources
So you only want to use hexbear? You've got the local tab, but I guess you can't block comments.
You trust them on their economic growth figures? Those seem the most exaggerated documents I can think of.