exactly but no one here seems to fucking agree except you
why did i have to be born a person. i wish i wasnt sapient.
again this completely misunderstands my point. i know it's not optimal to do this. but attacking and villainizing people for it is beyond vile.
and the point about their interests is true, but meaningless. if they are inherently that evil then we shouldn't even care about how comfortable these streamers are.
so it's absuvie for a poor man to say to a kind charitable person that they're the only reason they're alive? i don't acre. i don't care if they "feew wesponsible uwu". the suffering people who 'trauma dump' go through is much worse than any vague guilt. this selfish mindset is unbelievable.
Just because you have mental illness does not mean that you’re free from consequence from your actions.
IT LITERALLY FUCKING DOES. THE DEFINITION OF FUCKING MENTAL ILLNESS IS THAT YOUR BRAIN DOESN'T FUNCTION RIGHT. SHOULD I SHOOT PEOPLE WITHOUT LEGS BECAUSE THEY ACCIDENTALLY TRIPPED ME BECAUSE THEY FELL OUT OF THEIR WHEELCHAIR AND I SPRAINED MY ANKLE? OF FUCKING COURSE NOT. HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
WHERE'S THE LINE? WHERE DOES IT BECOME OKAY TO HURT AND BLAME AND ATTACK PEOPLE FOR BEING MENTALLY ILL? BECAUSE IF IT ISN'T HERE IT'S FUCKING NOWHERE. HAVE AN OUNCE OF FUCKING HUMAN COMPASSION FOR ONCE IN YOUR SELFISH FUCKING WESTERN LIFE AND CARE ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE.
i never said they had to. just don't use the term 'trauma dumping' and don't villainize people who are suffering. and i dont give a fuck about the 11 minutes of discomfort some random streamer goes through. i go through 24 fucking hours of discomfort.
i don't want to hurt anyone in particular or make them feel down and i feel bad already for this post but not being able to find a shred of human compassion and empathy in even a self-selected environment with people who only agree politically with you is sad i guesss
holy shit. it's wrong to say you're depressed? that's part of you. it's literally an illness you cannot remove. is it wrong to tell someone you have a broken back? to use a wheelchair because someone might notice it and be uncofmortable and feel responsible for you? i hate this. i hate all of you.
finally, if someone gets angry about another person not being able to respond and that gets sidelined as there fault for getting angry its just ignoring the issue. the fact is that people need people to grasp onto and they need help. the notion of 'trauma dumping' is just a deflection into the realm of solipsism.
it's not 'trauma dumping' when someone forgets to ask if you're comfortable and unloads on you and triggers your traumas. that's someone being forgetful and a little stupid. just remind them and tell them to stop. there is no villification or 'trauma dumping' as a term that needs to eixst.
i never fucking siad you couldnt ignore it. holy shit i literally just gave those examples if you NEEDED to respond. im asking for the bare minimum. just don't fucking villainize people for grasping at straws to stay afloat.
when i say "sympathy" i just mean treat them like a human being. someone with value. that's all i ask. the concept of "trauma dumping" is such a clear and obvious attempt to separate us into factions of neurodivergent people tearing at each others throats. the acceptance of the notion it is disgusting.
with bonus victim blaming! which is echoed by leftists on this very website
honestly. i dont fucking care. again. for the last fucking time. you're not the one dealing with constant suicidal thoughts. don't blame people for latching onto streamers as a source of meaning. the lack of empathy displayed here is astounding.
if you view someone begging for help as an obligation then that's your issue. everyone should treat public chats like streets. if you see a beggar on a street, you don't attack the beggar for "poverty dumping". and i hate to fucking say it but unless you're also a beggar and they're trying to screw you over somehow you're not being "hurt" by them at all. sure, their presence might make you uncomfortable, and that's valid because poverty is a terrible thing, but it isn't the fucking beggar's fault. it isn't the mentally ill's responsibility to make you feel comfortable about the world.
i dont want people to try and be cool therapists when they're not. all i care about is people not complaining about said trauama dumperse and villainizing them. im fine with people ignoring them, even. just dont shit on people who are suffering. that should be a general rule.
to be prefectly honest. it's not my job to help neurotypical and non-depressed, non-bipolar, non-anxious people understand this. it's not that hard and just takes a bare minimum level of sympathy. it doesnt even take that much to know what to say if someone does trauma dump on your chat but you don't know what to do to help. here's some examples:
"I really wish I could do more but I'm not a professional. Could some people in the chat who have more experience with this help them?"
"I don't have enough experience to speak on the issues you're going through. I'm sorry sad expression"
"Do you have any friends or family you could talk to this about? If not, I could reccommend some communities" (if you want them to talk to other people, jsut tell them. don't invent a whole phrase of 'trauma dumping' just to villainize)
"I'm not qualified for this and I don't want to make things worse. I wish the best of luck to you but I don't know if we can help you right now" (if you don't want to engage at all)
notice the only requirement is that you treat them like a human being. of course the rules of intersectionality apply. if you alos experience trauma or some form of mental illness then telling someone to fuck off is understandable
therapists cost money and loved ones tend to either be outright hostile to your existence if you're LGBTQIA+ or too far away due to the normalization of moving away from family.
i do not undersatnd how you think mental health struggles are not trivial but thn you blame the people who 'trauma dump'. do you think those who spill their guts online are privileged normies? if you bypass the natural inclination to not make people uncomfortable you are either not aware of it being able to make people uncomfortable or are too desperate to care. either way. the people hearing the dumping in these streams are almost always going to be in a better place than the person doing it.
it angers me that the article mentioned the pet picture because deleting a sick pet makes sense, because people dont need to shrae traumatizing pictures to vent. but otherwise i dont get how stigmatizing 'trauma dumping' is anything except stigmatizing the existence of the mentally ill and suffering, and expecting them to pretend they aren't suffering.
this shouldnt be an issue at all. only people with no friends would pour their heart out to streamesr. we need to get these people friends. not attack them
talking about mental health concerns is only acceptable in a detached and rationalizing way. 90% of the people who talk about this stuff don tacre at all, from personal experience. the moment it becomes slightly more costly or slightly more labor intensive to support someone through anything whatsoever only the best of people don't immediately drop it. the discussion of mental health is just a facade and a kind face. its typical liberal polite sadism.
it might not be appropriate or helpful but i dont care honestly. im not saying that these people are being smart by talking about their suffering in dumb gamer chatrooms. im jsut saying that getting angry at them or saying theyrre doing something morally wrong is absolutely disgusting rhetoric. if people who talked about trauma dumping actually cared they would be williing to listen to and support others themsleves or at least send them to resources that actually help (which by the way dont really exist) instead of stigmatizing them and blaming them for flailing for any kind of life line. im sick of neurotypical people being able to shut down what i say or do because it makes them "uncomfy uwu"
it isnt smart to pour your heart out to twitch but it's reprehensible to judge someone for doing so. as long as the injternet exists under capitalism there will be people who have it as their only outlet. if we really didntcare about online stuff then we would just drop it and let them vent.
i understand that small streamers would experience discomfort from this but unless i am simply even more selfish then i thought it still feels deeply privileged to complain about this. it is actually hilarious. the planets dying, humanity is killing itself and people are dying in droves every day for practically nothing. and i dont get the choice to look away. i can distract myself but the thoughts always come back. and then this person complains about having to feel sympathy for another person for 11 minutes? its disgusting. and i saw the top level comment about "emotional labor" too. and i feel uncomfortable about that concept as well. i have to do 'emotional labor' every day just being a friend to people. and i can manage that with crippling mental illness. what excuse do completely neurotypical people have. this doesnt mnean that others who also deal with trauma and mental illness should be forced to do emotional labor but that normies using the term trauma dumping is extremely worrying and funny.
removing morality form the equation. trauma dumping is something we're going to have to deal with in parties and leftist spaces. the 'emotional labor' of supporting one another through emotional suffering is a neccessary element of solidarity. it is sad to see people on even this left forum complain about that when they don't have to deal with schizophrenia or depression or anxiety or bipolar disorder. i dont think people should be forced to listen to others. but i do think that people have more of a right to vent their emotions then for normies to shut them down for taking time out of their Epic Gamer Day
maybe the streamer also struggles with similar things to me in which case im sorry. but in that case teyre one of the only streamers that has a right to say things like this
its a simply issue of punching down instead of up. streamers are almost always not litreally but almost probably better positioned then some random worker with no friends nor family they can reach out to. they can afford a therapist and time to make friends and confidants. many cant
i don't care. deal with the discomfort fucking normie ass. fucking therapist priest of capital.