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It’s not even the first time someone has done this experiment, lol

lmfao I didn’t even know that half of it

That’s not what I was getting at. I was assuming that people who come across this post would already know that Israel oppresses non-Jews. My point is that it gets even worse than that: the non-Jews are the numerical majority, so the whole thing is more egregious than many Americans might be aware.

I guess I do think a numerical majority being subjugated is more noteworthy in some ways than a numerical minority.

I brought it up because it kind of disproves the idea that “Jews have a special relationship with that region and/or are uniquely entitled to it.” They’re not even the majority there currently! And they weren’t in 1948 either.

In their perception, Britain turned against the Zionists around 1939 or so (White paper) and sided with the Arabs in opposing a Jewish state after that. So they mean “Independence” as independence from Britain.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine

I can actually recall a third time, as well

lol that's pretty close to Richard Hanania's position:

Those on the right who are prone towards white identitarianism or Christian nationalism might sulk about Jewish influence in their movement. To me, this is just as pathetic as black activists on college campuses complaining that physics departments are too white. In a free society, groups that are successful and interested in politics will naturally have an outsized role to play...From my perspective, Jewish power on the right shouldn’t just be accepted, but actively celebrated, since the two main problems with American conservatism is that it has too few smart people and too many theocrats. Jews becoming more influential in the movement helps on both these fronts.

https://archive.ph/jtZWT

What the hell does “self-determination” even mean? I feel like since 10/7 we’ve all been gaslit into the idea that “self-determination” is some obvious, uncontroversial thing

Free Palestine

(Bum-Bum-Bum)

From the river to the sea

THE SEA

THE SEA

ba-da-ba-da-ba

Thanks everyone for the responses. I've learned a lot, and I'm sorry for any offense I caused.

Thank you for this response, and for your other ones in this thread as well.

This passage in particular really gave me some needed perspective:

There are no "uncontacted tribes", everyone has been in touch with their neighbors the whole time, for as long as there have been humans. Every part of the world, except Antarctica and a very small number of islands, has been inhabited by humans a very long time, with Polynesia being one of the last places humans arrived at a few thousand years ago. Humans have been in NA for at least 30,000 years, Australia for at least 40k but probably longer, in Europe for at least 50k. Even the famous North Sentinelese have had more and less contact with their neighbors over prior centuries. Their current closed borders are a modern policy decision made by a modern people choosing how to interact with other people in the modern world.

(Although I didn't mention them directly, the Sentinelese definitely were one of the things I had lingering in my mind when I posted my OP, so I'm glad you said something about them)

thanks for the book recs, they're on my list now.

I didn't know that, but that is interesting

this was clarifying, thanks

the Canadian Shield

to be fair, how do we know that that isn’t also because of subsidies?

I wish homeownership wasn’t so important in the US.

I’m probably going to buy a house at some point because it’s what makes sense given how our society is currently set up, but really I wish I could just rent an apartment for the same as (or marginally more than) what it costs to maintain & insure an apartment. If I could do that then I wouldn’t really give a shit about owning a home.

An abortion is when the doctor yanks the 36-week fetus out by its umbilical cord and then whips it against the table a bunch of times to kill it

The orca attacks are back