I also appreciate that you're supposed to learn Django 19 years before you learn Python.

I'd still rank them second, after humans.

I have 183; 71 of them aren't out yet.

You're making a hell of a lot of assumptions, both about me, and about the nature of reality.

You're also spouting a lot of nonsense. "The logic of capitalism" is a meaningless phrase. You're attributing a lot of assumptions onto something that just means "the means of production can be privately owned".

The fact of the matter is that there are existing, successful worker co-ops. That alone disproves most of your claims that you take as axioms.

First, there is no rule that a worker co-op taking care of its workers will be less profitable than an exploitative company. At first glance, it seems reasonable. But it's not a truism. For example, a well-taken care of worker is likely to be more productive than one who feels exploited.

Second, profits are not how companies compete. Profits are by definition the extra money that goes into the owners' pockets. Companies compete in many different ways; quality, marketing, price, etc. The fact that there are many successful worker co-ops in capitalist nations should provide some evidence here.

Third, one could imagine a nation that mandates that all companies are worker co-ops. They would still be profit-driven private companies, but would be controlled by the workers (who would also be the ones saying the profit).

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

Sorry, what are you getting at?

Half those definitions agree with me, and the other half say the definition is in some external material not linked to on that site.

I don't want to be a "debate nerd". You're the one being argumentative.

No? A private enterprise means it's not run by the state. Worker coops absolutely are private enterprises.

What if the private enterprises are worker coops?

I have no idea what you're on about or why I've humored you for so long. Have a good life.

I do stand by it. But it's not an interesting discussion for me to just go back and forth on a definition.

I'm trying to understand if we can agree on basic facts. I suspect that we cannot, which means there's not much point in having any discussion. But I'm open to the chance that we can.

I'm pretty sure I've responded to everything that they've said.

Yes. Now answer my question.

It's not not a vote. It's a classification; they tend to not have perfect clear boundaries, and so one goes with the prevailing opinion of experts.

But let's forget the term "genocide". In the USSR, millions of people were intentionally killed for no good reason. That's fucked.

Okay, how about the guy who coined the term?

Raphael Lemkin (a pioneer of genocide studies[79]: 35  who coined the term genocide, and an initiator of the Genocide Convention), James Mace, Norman Naimark, and Timothy Snyder have written that the Holodomor was a genocide and the intentional result of Soviet policies under Stalin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

So, to be clear, you unironically contend that there was a genocide of midwesterners in the 1930s?

First of all, to attribute deaths solely to one individual (even to Hitler) denies anyone else responsible of their free will in doing so.

Fair, but this is just kind of a thing we do with language.

If we can't agree that millions of people in the USSR were killed, sent to gulags, and died of famine during Stalin's leadership, then I'm not sure there's anything worth discussing.

Similarly, the article you linked about 7 million US deaths in the great depression doesn't even take itself seriously. It's just trying to discredit counts for deaths in the Holodomor. I suspect you don't think that many people died as a result of the great depression, and, if you're not going to argue in good faith, then again I believe we are at an impasse.

Finally, there is no need for name-calling. While I do not consider "lib" nearly as much an insult as you likely intend it, I would still not categorize myself as such.

Genocide of whom?

Let's see. 34 countries and the EU consider the Holodomor (check your spelling btw) a genocide.

I can find... well, you, and nothing else claiming the dust bowl is a genocide.