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Though he did clarify they don't have a worse police state than the US. He just both-sides it.

Edit - It's a law of hexbear that every discussion must turn into a struggle session. Especially if the discussion involves China.

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    4 years ago

    My take on China is that it's a proletarian state in a primarily capitalist system, which means that Chinas police and state as a whole are not fully proletarian in character due to the fact that the bourgeoise has a certain degree of influence it's interests are reflected in law and police.

    But at the same time its obviously and meaningfully proletarian too and not solely dedicated to bourgeoise interests, as demonstrated by the crackdowns on corruption and flat out executions of the very most corrupt who take bribes or do other financial crime regardless of their wealth.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      4 years ago

      But at the same time its obviously and meaningfully proletarian too and not solely dedicated to bourgeoise interests

      I think that still kinda remains to be seen. It is definitely not dedicated to western bourgeoisie interests. Being anti-colonial is necessary but not sufficient.

      I have a hard time judging Chinese policing from behind a language barrier and a media barrier and a geographic barrier, so I could be wrong about everything. But it seems as though the state is more in line with FDR-Era state capitalism than a serious Marxist government.

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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        4 years ago

        To me at least, its activities in breaking up monopolies and the business empires of corrupt billionaires as well as flat out executing those who commit crimes shows that its not just hostile towards the western bourgeoise, but that it has its national bourgeoise on an increasingly tight leash, which is essential for the development of China. But I also understand if some people feel sceptical still that its differences point to a proletarian state, I guess it will just have to be seen how they continue onwards towards the 2050 date.