People really seem to like equating China's surveillance system with America's when I really don't think that's fair.
China's police and surveillance systems are highly dependant on municipalities and implementation is guided by local parties and governments. The only big nationwide things are for cybernetic programs, like the poverty alleviation stuff.
China has used their surveillance for good, the US never has and never will.
You're assuming that China isn't democratic lol, they actually have very high rates of engagement in local politics and there are still massive amounts of collectives and labor unions that hold power on local levels.
There's still corruption, but it's not happening because of the system in China, but in spite of it.
I'm torn, Cuba has an incarceration rate like 4 times higher than China, but they have a much more humane prison system (Plan Progressivo).
Either way, the US has an incarceration rate significantly higher than everyone else and spends more on police hardware than 95% of countries spend on their militaries. So China good just by virtue of being seeveral orders of magnitude less evil and whith a population 3 times higher.
I think Cuba is still one of the best examples of socialist policing done correctly. They do have the added benefit of having a small population and having had a huge majority of their reactionary capitalist class flee after the revolution. Their current system is more geared towards uniting the peasant class and working class through education.
China still has a large population of reactionaries and you need some form of police to prevent them from taking power.
I think the most important thing to look at when judging China or any countries policing system is how they're utilized primarily. Who is being beaten and harassed. Is it workers? Minorities? Are the police being used as a tool to suppress the exploited classes? Or are they primarily serving as functionaries of the workers?
I think in China it's more the latter, like some of the biggest stuff I've seen is them doing mass arrests of pyramid schemes and other financial criminals.
People really seem to like equating China's surveillance system with America's when I really don't think that's fair.
China's police and surveillance systems are highly dependant on municipalities and implementation is guided by local parties and governments. The only big nationwide things are for cybernetic programs, like the poverty alleviation stuff.
China has used their surveillance for good, the US never has and never will.
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You're assuming that China isn't democratic lol, they actually have very high rates of engagement in local politics and there are still massive amounts of collectives and labor unions that hold power on local levels.
There's still corruption, but it's not happening because of the system in China, but in spite of it.
8000+ collective villages and the number is rising, it had been falling for a while but since Xi it has gone on the rise.
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I'm torn, Cuba has an incarceration rate like 4 times higher than China, but they have a much more humane prison system (Plan Progressivo).
Either way, the US has an incarceration rate significantly higher than everyone else and spends more on police hardware than 95% of countries spend on their militaries. So China good just by virtue of being seeveral orders of magnitude less evil and whith a population 3 times higher.
yeah i mean, china less bad. fuck america. this is not intended to be an anti-china response, but critical support is still critical. :amerikkka:
I think Cuba is still one of the best examples of socialist policing done correctly. They do have the added benefit of having a small population and having had a huge majority of their reactionary capitalist class flee after the revolution. Their current system is more geared towards uniting the peasant class and working class through education.
China still has a large population of reactionaries and you need some form of police to prevent them from taking power.
I think the most important thing to look at when judging China or any countries policing system is how they're utilized primarily. Who is being beaten and harassed. Is it workers? Minorities? Are the police being used as a tool to suppress the exploited classes? Or are they primarily serving as functionaries of the workers?
I think in China it's more the latter, like some of the biggest stuff I've seen is them doing mass arrests of pyramid schemes and other financial criminals.
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