Happy to say ive heard lots of great things from comrades who were there who include several NPC members.
https://twitter.com/NicolasMaduro/status/1411121788701052933
https://twitter.com/Gaius_Gracchus_/status/1411129317208244224
https://twitter.com/nicolasmaduro/status/1411150426049810434
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Didn't you make this comment at least once already? How many people are living rent free in your head? Plus if these people exist and are that cynical they can just say the CPC met with CPUSA recently and we know they are an asset
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I swear people have complained before about an imagined/predicted response to DSA meeting Maduro. Like wait till those posts come in before deciding that people are making them everywhere, or that cynical online-poisoned folks are gonna seethe over this when they can just point to CPUSA. It just feels petty towards people who, if they exist, are so minuscule.
feels pretty :LIB:
edit: found the thread iirc, geez its a massacre, like half the comments are deleted. https://hexbear.net/post/111753
So exactly the responses you’re saying are imagined lol?
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Well, yeah, which implies half of the responses are “deliberately ignoring”
I mean probably, but also they seemingly don't make up some major force. I like this comment though
I am not saying no one criticized DSA, but I don't understand the attitude that this is a dunk on a massive or vocal subset of people here. People who have been shocked have been called out and deleted their comments, so its not like this is some major contingent, or at least one that would take them meeting as reason to reverse whatever stance they boxed themselves into. Like I said, someone who wants to hate DSA will just say that the CPC met with CPUSA recently.
Anyone who is dunked on is either those people here who are ignorant and deleted their comments after being informed, OR they are ultras who care more about bitching about DSA all the time and it wont matter to them either way. That's what I am saying, the two types no better now and are willing to change, or are those aholes we all know on twitter who respond to every DSA tweet with vitriol. The dunking just seems more like self aggrandizing spite than anything. No one is standing by their "DSA is social imperialist, how could they go to meet Maduro!?!" stance here if they had it. I don't like that the response to something good is envisioning someone to get mad at.
I should have clarified that better, but hey you engaged in good faith so thanks. that's different
This is from three days ago. Plenty of people are still beating the "social imperialist" drum.
There's plenty of room for criticism of the DSA, but that criticism shouldn't be selective or done in bad faith.
All I'm seeing is perfectly legitimate criticism of AOC
That was some blatant bait, the Tibet thing was a while back no reason someone would repost it in earnest right now. But also AOC is not DSA. I wouldn't criticize people for praising this meeting and also condemning AOC for what she said. I would argue it would be bad faith to conflate criticism based on ignorance or essentializing the entire org with criticizing a specific statement/politician. Bafflement over DSA meeting with Maduro and disliking what AOC said are not mutually inclusive
User named after Marx is offended that people point out CIA imperialism manufacturing consent for genocide. Sounds about white!
radlib justifications https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/liberals/lectureporn-the-vulgar-art-of-liberal-narcissism/
By upbears probably, but we have some of them, dunk doesn’t imply that’s significant majority or major subset, just that such people exist :meow-floppy:
Like honestly biggest problem of socdems always been imperialism, if dsa is going so far out of the way to be different - good for them, they are nice cuddly socdems instead of m4a and chill kind imperialist ones.
dsa frequently catch strays of “objective wing” from euro socdem history and current shenanigans :sadness: so they can have some fun now :comfy-cool:
I am very glad they are doing this, and the IC had been based as fuck for a long time. I am hesitant with how everything involving them becomes a binary issue for the left. I've seem dedicated members get shit here for having nuanced critiques of their own org. They've always had channels open with PSUV, but the national caucus and plenty of actions have been frustratingly socdem particularly with imperialism. I want to celebrate this happening, while also not wanting to treat this as being indicative of DSA writ-large because when push-comes to shove the IC does not dictate the direction of the party and the national org needs to be challenged on foreign policy regardless of good things like this.
What I am saying is the International Caucus should coup the entire org