DemSocs are great, but AOC is proving she's a western SocDem.

edit: death to the west :amerikkka:

  • Segorinder [any]
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    3 years ago

    Right, but she starts by riling people up about the "anti-democratic" government doing "gross violations of civil rights". If you believe in that (and AOC says you should) then ending the embargo does nothing to solve that problem.

    • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      One of three things is going on here:

      1. She's sincere about the "anti-democratic" comments but insincere about ending the embargo (but for some reason said it anyway).
      2. She's sincere about ending the embargo but insincere about the "anti-democratic" comments (but for some reason said it anyway).
      3. She's sincere about both, maybe because she knows enough to understand that the embargo is bad, but still hasn't come around to the fact that the Cuban government is actually democratic.

      Option 3 looks like the most plausible to me.

      • Segorinder [any]
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        3 years ago

        I don't know or care what AOC personally believes about this, the effect of her statement is to manufacture consent for regime change, then turn around and say 'but let's not do that'.

        • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          She literally called for an end to the embargo. It's ridiculous to portray a statement expressly opposed to our policy towards Cuba as supportive of our policy towards Cuba.

          • Segorinder [any]
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            3 years ago

            Textually, the argument that she's making is a left wing one, but by making 'concessions' to state department talking points, she's muddying left wing arguments and strengthening right wing ones, and doing more harm than good.

            Saying the embargo should end is great, but when you just finished giving statements that are going to get americans bloodthirsty for regime change, pulling a 180 like that isn't going to work. It either leads people to think we need to do regime change through other methods, or like I said, makes people think that leftists actually want regime change, but don't have the stomach for it.

          • RollOfTape [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            I partly agree with you. The thing I don't exactly agree is, she didn't have to use regime change arguments. She could have stated how the people are suffering and how lifting the sanctions could ease the suffering. She does that thing where she explains herself before even being under attack

            • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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              3 years ago

              I can imagine a better statement, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the person who has to operate in an environment where she's the only sitting congressperson (and probably the only congressperson in decades) to call for the end to the embargo. A politician who openly said the consensus opinion of this place would never get any measure of political power. Do we want to have any power, or do we want to be on the sidelines patting each other on the back about how perfect our takes are?

              The bottom line is she suggested something that's far to the left of any national politician on this issue, and that's the #1 thing the U.S. could do to end its imperialism towards Cuba. This place is slipping into dead-end ultraleft territory if our collective response is that this makes her worse in our eyes, not better.