I think its more an attitude of, most people here are in the US, and so what are we going to do about women in Afghanistan while on the other side of the world? It's much more useful for us to oppose our own country, and a lot of the people in the US now raising the alarm about women in Afghanistan have never cared about women in Afghanistan at any prior time, and just want to gather support for further occupation. It's much more useful to oppose that.
I do agree though, a lot of the comments here don't seem to realize how horrible the Taliban is for most Afghans. I don't know if that's because there are a lot of young people here who are literally too young to remember the Taliban before occupation or what, but yeah, I do understand what you're feeling. But I think there's also a feeling of, what are we going to do, go back in? We're out and that's a good thing.
We do have Afghan charities pinned to the home page though. I think that's the most that most people here can do.
All of this handwringing is pretty fucking stupid and pointless. You can't get women's rights at gunpoint. 2 trillion dollars didn't buy it. The biggest military in the world didn't secure it. You can lament the regression of rights for women, but for fucks sake it was bought at the expense of hundreds of thousands of lives and bombs. How is that good for women????
I wish the Soviet-backed govt had survived, I really do, but the world we live in now means the Taliban is the most legitimate ruler of that nation until material conditions change.
You can get rights, including women's rights, at gunpoint, but who's holding the gun is very important. Imperialists just trying to enrich themselves and dominate clearly never actually gave a shit. Socialists with guns have repeatedly improved women's rights and their societal/economic standing, forcing it onto patriarchal societies.
i mean it's literally making fun of a stupid CNN propaganda reporter who probably works for the fucking CIA.
Doesn't seem right to laugh about it either way. This reporter may be a bastard but afghan women are still going to be victimized and a bunch of american men laughing at them online is gross af
i mean i don't think that is what the post is doing. it's making fun of a CNN reporter
well i think you are choosing to read things in to it that I don't see being there. but hey whatever i never even saw it before it was deleted and don't care that much one way or another.
I'm not ""choosing"" to read it that way it's just how I read it
It's the near enemy and the far enemy. The near enemy are the ones you want to destroy, while nobody really gets worked up about the far enemy. People can’t get together enough energy to really hate the Taliban, let alone Muslims in general. We understand that what they are doing is bad, but it doesn't anger us personally. When they took ever, we were able to very rationally apply our better nature and our Far Mode beliefs about how it’s never right to be happy about anyone else’s misfortunes.
On the other hand, that same group absolutely loathes most Americans. Most of them (though not all) can agree, if the question is posed explicitly, that the Taliban are worse people than Americans. But in terms of actual gut feeling? The Taliban provokes a snap judgment of “flawed human beings”, Americans a snap judgment of “scum”.
Yeah, it’s a good thing the women in Afghanistan never suffered at the hands of American/western imperialism.
It’s not directed at the people themselves. It’s more of a satirical take on the US invasion and how nothing was solved or came close to winnable in the last 20 years and the years before the invasion. Then we leave and immediately any and all work “done” there is erased. No one here is pro Taliban. But they are something that Afghanistan and the regions surrounding it need to deal with, not the US or other western powers thousands of miles away.
They were a reaction that formed out of the history of our involvement in the region. It’s not funny in the human level, but the larger systemic forces at play are a satire.
I don't like it either, but ironic detachment is what everyone is into over here so
it's on the other side of the world jfc :grillman: :grill: :matt-jokerfied:
Why is this post about women in Afghanistan and not about how women in the Vatican don't even have the right to vote?
(It's true, look it up)
Afgani women's lives aren't going to get worse under the Taliban, Afghanistan was ranked second from last in woman's rights in 2019. There's really nowhere lower for them to go...
I see your point tho, i think some people are just getting too caught up in the joy of watching America take an L
Idk, the amount of disingenuous handwringing from libs and lib media trying to manufacture consent or spin it like the US stopping its imperialist war is a bad thing kind of puts a sour taste in my mouth with regards to the whole argument. Is life going to be that much worse than it was when you spent 20 years at risk of getting drone striked? I'm certainly not in any position to say, but neither are you, and I don't think we're going to get any unbiased perspectives (ie not state department propaganda) — at least not for a long time.
Especially given my lack of position to do anything useful besides criticize the United States to other muricans, I'm pretty unwilling to entertain the argument due to the sheer quantity of bad faith whataboutism that has accompanied it
Tl;dr :cia:
You're still not in the position to say if rights getting rolled back is worse than the constant threats from living in the midst of the us's twenty-year long imperial war. I am not saying it's a good thing, ideally neither the Taliban nor the us puppet government would be in charge, but I'm not gonna sit here and act like I can honestly speak for women experiencing either and say which is worse.
Like, yeah, it sucks. But that doesn't mean that there's not some kind of surreal humor about shit like the reporter/cia asset who materially contributed to the taliban's swift takeover also very swiftly switching from western clothes into a hijab, since that's a material change she personally helped to sow, or that there's no surreal humor in the taliban tweeting sexist r*ddit-tier memes or riding the bumper cars or whatever.
Literally that tweet about "me, younger (naive): I hope good things happen / me, older (wise): I hope the bad things that will happen are at least funny"
Like I guess I'm glad for you that some how your brain is still not broken enough by hellworld that you're able to pearl clutch about people watching this particular dumpster fire, but I'm not sure there's anything else I can do but laugh in horror
I mean is it really an "ayyy lmao" response to read an onion tier headline and have a kneejerk :what-the-hell: response to it? Like the headlines themselves are the punchline, idk what you've seen but I've been lurking extra hard the last week or so and I haven't seen any Reddit-tier "ha ha, fuck women" or other sexist humor.
Just lots of marveling at the absurdity of the various situations and dunking on the libs that are suddenly acting like they care about the women they've been drone striking for two decades, the same way globe-emojis get dunked on for their bullshit "why do you hate the global poor" line.
But yeah probably a good idea to stop finger-wagging, I don't know how anyone has the energy to scold people who are clearly not acting in bad faith for having a pretty reasonable reaction to "holy shit the taliban took over the whole country in 2 days and they're riding bumper cars and tweeting sexist memes". Like how the fuck else are you supposed to respond to that? Plus like half the comments on any given thread about the taliban are "you do not, under any circumstances, gotta hand it to them"
Your feelings won't do shit to change the facts. Quit trying to split the left on puritanical tone policing.
