Was Iraq inevitable, regardless of whether it was a D or R in the White House? Or, would he have resisted and doubled down in Afghanistan?

    • RandyLahey [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      oh yeah i was memeing about bush doing 9/11, but its easy to forget now how incredibly mask-off the pnac publications were about everything , including frothing at the mouth for "some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor"

      i dont think they were actively involved or necessarily knew that 9/11 specifically was coming, but they had ample intelligence to know something similar was coming, and they 100% made a conscious decision to let it happen and capitalise on it rather than do anything meaningful to stop it

      • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        they 100% made a conscious decision to let it happen and capitalise on it rather than do anything meaningful to stop it

        This seems more and more likely every time I read about how the FBI will wind up right-wing psychos instead of arresting them or talking them down.

        • happybadger [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

          Have you seen how many planes were grounded immediately after? Five going down is a coincidence sure, but it's not a conspiracy. The same people who told you 9/11 happened then sold you on two wars because of it. These are questions we should ask.

          • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            well, "9/11 never happened" is certainly not a take i thought i would ever see lmao

            • happybadger [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              It happened, it was just five isolated events and some media hysteria linking them together. Five planes can't crash on the same day? In the entire world? Knowing full well how tall the World Trade Centres were?

          • TankieDukakis [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Wait do you think 5 planes just accidentally crashed and just happened to be into places like the WTC and pentagon? Or that it was 5 independent occurrences that coincidentally happened on the same day at the same time?

            Because both of those are a lol

            • happybadger [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              How could 4 planes crashing into 4 high profile targets, and a 5th crashing before it had the chance to hit its target, and then Al Qaeda explicitly taking credit, as well as 20 suicide hijackers with a coordinated plan having their identities revealed, be an accident?

              Because shit happens. You weren't there.

              Either there was a massive plan to carry out a massive attack (highly likely), or there was a massive plan to make a highly coincidental series of crashes into high profile targets seem like an orchestrated terrorist attack (highly unlikely). Either option involves a massive plan.

              Can you keep a secret between 20 friends? Coincidences happen.

                • happybadger [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  Nobody would do a bit about a tragedy of that scale. I'm purely questioning the nature of it. All five crashes were accidents. Al Qaeda are braggarts. Of course the hijackers had names, nationalities, and identities- they just had no association with each other and it was a complete coincidence that they were all on their respective planes. News pundits, wars, you know those people. It's disgusting they'd make a mountain out of a molehill.

                    • happybadger [he/him]
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                      3 years ago

                      Those people are jokers. Fuck them.

                      Five crashes can happen on accident. If they had all struck the same tower, sure. Two different towers that just happened to be in the same city? Three different buildings that just happened to be important symbols of America? A field? It's grasping at straws. You'd have to believe that there are 20 bad people out there AND they'd all know each other AND they had people to mastermind the operation. As for Al Qaeda, look how many things they take credit for. They just love to tell everyone how scary they are. It's pathetic.