From what I understand the modern concept of race arose during the age of colonialism, but before that time, was there any documented accounts of racism against black people by white people?

  • carbohydra [des/pair]
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    3 years ago

    More emphasis on religion I think, including petty shit like protestants vs catholics. Less contact with Africa too I assume

        • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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          3 years ago

          I don't think it's fair to say that religion is a red herring. Religion and national-identity had traveled together in Ireland for the entire period of colonization. Increasingly, religion is less relevant to the question, but certainly during the Troubles it was an element of Irish anti-colonialism.

          • overeee [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            The only time in history Catholics have been oppressed, and I mean only time, nowadays I really don't give a shit what the Irish think, they aren't oppressed like blacks and are no different than any white.

    • overeee [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Didn't a Greek philosopher compare African skin to shit? Its ignorant to assume people on the Mediterranean didn't have regular encounters with black people and that there was policies against them we may or may not know about.

      • pooh [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        From what I understand, the ancient world had some generalized xenophobia towards people outside their own language/culture, but it wasn’t focused on white/black and hierarchies based on skin color like what came with European colonialism.

        Related, I found this on Wikipedia which I think is an accurate summary:

        The term "Aethiop" carried no social implications.[4] There was no such thing as a black community; immigrants from south of the Sahara were few and from disparate ethnic communities. The immigrants would have been separated from each other in households of other people, and if they had descendants these would have blended within very few generations into the local population.[4] While slaves formed a large minority of the population and slavery was a deeply stigmatized social status, the great majority of slaves were from European and Mediterranean populations; inherited physical characteristics were not relevant to slave status.[4][5] Black people were not excluded from any profession, and no stigma or bias against mixed race relationships is recorded in Antiquity.[6]

        So, yeah, racism as we know it today didn’t really exist back then.

      • carbohydra [des/pair]
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        3 years ago

        I don't know, it's very possible. Greeks took fellow Greeks as slaves, so I don't think "slave" and "black" had the same overlap then. It's also possible "shit" got lost in translation (shit - dirt - soil - earth - brown perhaps). Then there's the whole "deciding whether Egyptians were black" thing and I don't think any of that is very useful or interesting. While they had good boats, getting below the Sahara would be more difficult in any case.