Ah you mean when a bunch of sub users who also were active on stupidpol celebrated his death like he was fucking Kissinger, got told to cool it by POC members of the sub, onlg for said POC members to be told take a joke and be quiet?
Such proud moments
Edit: or act like me bringing up a time the community was shit so we can grow is me dismissing rape… ok. You can not like the dude and realize that the reaction wasn’t great.
See I remember a bunch of people being really upset that people pointed out their favored millionaire sportsball player was a rapist, and telling us that the left will never succeed in America until we start to accept a little rape.
We can both be reductive. But only one of us is dismissing rape.
I’m fucking not idiot, rapists deserve no praise but at the same time pretending that there wasn’t a fuck ton of minority users that got shat on and fucking left. Many prominent posters, is also ignoring what happened.
Your point only makes sense if you think that celebrating rape is inherent behavior from minority users.
This is obviously reactionary racist thinking. What actually happened instead of "a fuck ton of minority users that got shat on and fucking left" was "a fuck ton of rapist defenders that got shat on and fucking left"
If you take your ball and go home because you are a hog who can't handle a rapist being treated as such, you don't belong here anyway.
The fuck does your first point even mean other then some big brain whatboutisim? None of the POC people pissed at the reaction were outright defending Kobe or trying to say he wasn’t shit they just said how uncomfortable the ravenous hate towards him was especially when it got racist (which it did).
Stop acting like it’s a sum all game you yourself are the one saying shit like all the people who had complaints are instantly rape apologists and that racist shit is ok to say if it’s about a rapist.
None of the POC people pissed at the reaction were outright defending Kobe or trying to say he wasn’t shit
Hmm, I wonder if this is true, let's continue:
they just said how uncomfortable the ravenous hate towards him
Looks like it's not true. Trying to police peoples' justified hatred of a rapist who was able to escape justice through wealth is rape culture in action.
especially when it got racist (which it did)
No it didn't.
all the people who had complaints are instantly rape apologists
If you have complaints about people hating a dude for being a rapist, then you are by definition a rape apologist
and that racist shit is ok to say if it’s about a rapist
Racist shit was not said. Criticizing someone for raping != criticizing him for being black. It's utterly wild to me that you would even try to conflate the two. Just ridiculously reactionary.
Racist shit was said. Posts got banned for racist Shit. Things like talking s out absent blsck fathers and number of kids were said a lot during that whole thing. As well as worst shit I don’t feel like repeating.
And yes POC said they felt uncomfortable with how the ravenous hate was going towards racist shit and how people with similar shit who were white weren’t getting that level on the sub . But again just pretend it was all rape apologia and that everything is a sum total game. You can discredit the dude for being a rapist and be uncomfortable with the level of outrage compared to other similar shit and the level of racism that was poking through the posts.
I don’t have it anymore but a mod said that there were more posts about Kobe’s death then there were about Bush Sr’s in such a short span of time or some shit like that.
Yeah it makes sense since Kobe’s was so sudden and probably why certain opinions seeped through because people were just reveling in it without thinking. But that’s my point people are acting as if the struggle sesh was all people doing rape apologia when it wasnt.
Hell I DESPISE Kobe I fucking gave speeches to my students about why they shouldn’t go see his movie when the school offered to take them for free. Most of the people not ok with the level and gravitas of the posts were the same way.
and also to be fair not all the celebratory posts has racist shit. But it came off as super weird and uncomfortable to a lot of marginalized people to see the black rapist get a larger celebration that other more monstrous monsters.
Like I said it’s not a sum all game. Pure idpol or pure classism is dumb. It’s a mix and it includes understanding why people are upset (especially marginalized people who are speaking out) . Not just telling them how to feel
Honestly most people here are smart enough to know a bunch of rose emojis crusading against random basketball fans after a horrific crash that killed children was counter productive. Unfortunately people are also smart enough to come up with mental gymnastics to do it anyway.
Ah you mean when a bunch of sub users who also were active on stupidpol celebrated his death like he was fucking Kissinger, got told to cool it by POC members of the sub, onlg for said POC members to be told take a joke and be quiet?
Such proud moments
Edit: or act like me bringing up a time the community was shit so we can grow is me dismissing rape… ok. You can not like the dude and realize that the reaction wasn’t great.
See I remember a bunch of people being really upset that people pointed out their favored millionaire sportsball player was a rapist, and telling us that the left will never succeed in America until we start to accept a little rape.
We can both be reductive. But only one of us is dismissing rape.
I’m not dismissing rape pointing out a time the community acted like shit so we can be better isn’t denying that the dude was shit.
Seriously It’s not a sum all game. Especially when the sum all game was people treating minorities voicing their opinions as shit.
You should definitely be quiet if you think we should be crying over the death of a rapist.
I’m fucking not idiot, rapists deserve no praise but at the same time pretending that there wasn’t a fuck ton of minority users that got shat on and fucking left. Many prominent posters, is also ignoring what happened.
It’s not a sum all game.
Your point only makes sense if you think that celebrating rape is inherent behavior from minority users.
This is obviously reactionary racist thinking. What actually happened instead of "a fuck ton of minority users that got shat on and fucking left" was "a fuck ton of rapist defenders that got shat on and fucking left"
If you take your ball and go home because you are a hog who can't handle a rapist being treated as such, you don't belong here anyway.
The fuck does your first point even mean other then some big brain whatboutisim? None of the POC people pissed at the reaction were outright defending Kobe or trying to say he wasn’t shit they just said how uncomfortable the ravenous hate towards him was especially when it got racist (which it did).
Stop acting like it’s a sum all game you yourself are the one saying shit like all the people who had complaints are instantly rape apologists and that racist shit is ok to say if it’s about a rapist.
Hmm, I wonder if this is true, let's continue:
Looks like it's not true. Trying to police peoples' justified hatred of a rapist who was able to escape justice through wealth is rape culture in action.
No it didn't.
If you have complaints about people hating a dude for being a rapist, then you are by definition a rape apologist
Racist shit was not said. Criticizing someone for raping != criticizing him for being black. It's utterly wild to me that you would even try to conflate the two. Just ridiculously reactionary.
Racist shit was said. Posts got banned for racist Shit. Things like talking s out absent blsck fathers and number of kids were said a lot during that whole thing. As well as worst shit I don’t feel like repeating.
And yes POC said they felt uncomfortable with how the ravenous hate was going towards racist shit and how people with similar shit who were white weren’t getting that level on the sub . But again just pretend it was all rape apologia and that everything is a sum total game. You can discredit the dude for being a rapist and be uncomfortable with the level of outrage compared to other similar shit and the level of racism that was poking through the posts.
That’s what most people were doing
Who are some comparable white people who died that the subreddit didn't celebrate the death of?
I don’t have it anymore but a mod said that there were more posts about Kobe’s death then there were about Bush Sr’s in such a short span of time or some shit like that.
That wouldn't surprise me, frankly.
Yeah it makes sense since Kobe’s was so sudden and probably why certain opinions seeped through because people were just reveling in it without thinking. But that’s my point people are acting as if the struggle sesh was all people doing rape apologia when it wasnt.
Hell I DESPISE Kobe I fucking gave speeches to my students about why they shouldn’t go see his movie when the school offered to take them for free. Most of the people not ok with the level and gravitas of the posts were the same way.
and also to be fair not all the celebratory posts has racist shit. But it came off as super weird and uncomfortable to a lot of marginalized people to see the black rapist get a larger celebration that other more monstrous monsters.
Like I said it’s not a sum all game. Pure idpol or pure classism is dumb. It’s a mix and it includes understanding why people are upset (especially marginalized people who are speaking out) . Not just telling them how to feel
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...as the actual stupidpol was making fun of the chapos for it.
The Kobe struggle session was toptier I'm glad we're bringing it 🔙
Honestly most people here are smart enough to know a bunch of rose emojis crusading against random basketball fans after a horrific crash that killed children was counter productive. Unfortunately people are also smart enough to come up with mental gymnastics to do it anyway.