The document also expressed its commitment to combating so-called sissy men and danmei — risqué online fan fiction — as well as traffic-oriented content in the gaming industry.
I don't know what else I'm supposed to say. It's true, and it's bad.
I don't think waiting for better sources in unreasonable. If it's true, then it's cringe and shouldn't be justified, no doubt.
We saw this in the abortion thread, where people got big mad and then it turned out to be misrepresentation of the source document.
Edit: to be clear, the sissy men thing was and is cringe, but it's not a lot of detail to go on. One line in Sixth Tone doesn't justify accepting whatever western media says.
Edit 2: lot of back and forth below here, so I'm just gonna clarify my point again in this top comment: the sissy ban thing is bad, but separate from the relationship ban discussed in OP, for which there is (as far as I can tell) no evidence as of now and which would be much worse.
I'm the one who got """big mad,""" and it didn't "turn out" to be a misrepresentation, I was aware of the misrepresentation from the start, but I still believed that there was cause for criticism, regarding the grain of truth which the article had exaggerated.
I also want to point out that it was exactly this issue that caused me to be more skeptical of people on here dismissing criticism of China's social policies, because it became apparent that people are really eager to make it look like China never ever does anything bad, regardless of reality. Perhaps I overreacted in the abortion thread, but if so, it's because shit like this broke my trust in this site with regards to social issues in China.
One line in Sixth Tone doesn't mean we should accept everything Western media says, but it does give enough information to say that it's bad.
Well, you weren't the only one who got mad IIRC, but yes, that's my point. On account of the fact that it turned out to be totally baseless, and the "grain of truth" was that one region in China (with the worst gender imbalance) had created abortion restrictions in the 20ish years since the "reduce abortion" line had been added to the document in question. IE, clearly the document did not mean "abortion restrictions inbound".
One line in Sixth Tone doesn’t mean we should accept everything Western media says, but it does give enough information to say that it’s bad.
I agree the "sissy men" thing is bad, and should be reevaluated by the party. However, the subject of the thread is that China is banning Queer people in video games and, as of now, there's not enough evidence to substantiate it. It's possible that it's true - China can and does do bad things, but we should err on the side of waiting for solid evidence and analysis.
Given that the increasing crackdown against "sissy men" aesthetics seems to be getting solid pushback in China anyways, I'm fairly hopeful this whole direction will be reevaluated.
China posted cringe, also I just played Eastward which was published in Shanghai and has several effeminate characters. If that game gets censored or pulled then I'll believe the news.
You should do nothing about it. But you shouldn't whitewash what's happening or retreat into some made up reality. When people go around calling shit fake when it isn't, it discredits calling actual fake shit fake. Nobody's going to take you or us seriously when we say, "that's just Western propaganda," if we say that about everything. Moreover, downplaying homophobia is alienating and makes us look bad.
I basically acknowledged everything you said in the post I linked btw. I fully understand being critical of western media due to it being unreliable on China and due to the agenda of manufacturing consent. But when a story is actually true, you can just acknowledge that China isn't perfect and move on. Rather than being like, "China never does anything bad ever," why don't we be like, "China isn't perfect but that's no reason to do an imperialism at them."
People who live in China don't have any power to affect Chinese policy. It's decided from on high. Government just happens to you there. One day, there's an announcement, there is a 4-6 week lead time, then bam.
They're not fooling around, either. They eliminate whole sectors of the economy. They just wiped out the after-school education sector. One day they're chugging along fine, the next day poof, your business is worthless and parents are standing around with pre-paid contracts that are now worthless.
Yeah, they eliminated it. The idea being that Chinese schools are all equal, and they all provide an excellent education.
Ask all the Chinese parents where they'd rather have their kids: a public school or an international school. That's where all the extra lessons after class come in: public schools in general are substandard. Remind you of America?
People who live in China don’t have any power to affect Chinese policy. It’s decided from on high. Government just happens to you there.
Orientalism dot png. Besides the clear and obvious ridiculousness (they do vote, and are consulted on policy), there are nearly 100 million members of the party.
The Chinese people have no power at all in government. It doesn't do anything they want. This is why the central government has a 95% approval rate, as measured by a Harvard study. :very-smart:
It's actually ludicrous to think that the will of the people being followed isn't linked to approval rate, but if it helps, the majority of Chinese people also feel their system is democratic, much more than Americans do.
That's not really fair. The site does have some chauvinism issues (it's mostly used by westerners, so not surprising), but the average opinion is much better than whatever that guy's saying. Thankfully.
:this: there are boomer currents in the party as well as progressive ones. This (whatever it actually means) seems to be coming from the boomer current and facing social media backlash.
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I'm so confused. You literally posted a Chinese media source saying that it's true.
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I don't know what else I'm supposed to say. It's true, and it's bad.
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I don't think waiting for better sources in unreasonable. If it's true, then it's cringe and shouldn't be justified, no doubt.
We saw this in the abortion thread, where people got big mad and then it turned out to be misrepresentation of the source document.
Edit: to be clear, the sissy men thing was and is cringe, but it's not a lot of detail to go on. One line in Sixth Tone doesn't justify accepting whatever western media says.
Edit 2: lot of back and forth below here, so I'm just gonna clarify my point again in this top comment: the sissy ban thing is bad, but separate from the relationship ban discussed in OP, for which there is (as far as I can tell) no evidence as of now and which would be much worse.
I'm the one who got """big mad,""" and it didn't "turn out" to be a misrepresentation, I was aware of the misrepresentation from the start, but I still believed that there was cause for criticism, regarding the grain of truth which the article had exaggerated.
I also want to point out that it was exactly this issue that caused me to be more skeptical of people on here dismissing criticism of China's social policies, because it became apparent that people are really eager to make it look like China never ever does anything bad, regardless of reality. Perhaps I overreacted in the abortion thread, but if so, it's because shit like this broke my trust in this site with regards to social issues in China.
One line in Sixth Tone doesn't mean we should accept everything Western media says, but it does give enough information to say that it's bad.
Well, you weren't the only one who got mad IIRC, but yes, that's my point. On account of the fact that it turned out to be totally baseless, and the "grain of truth" was that one region in China (with the worst gender imbalance) had created abortion restrictions in the 20ish years since the "reduce abortion" line had been added to the document in question. IE, clearly the document did not mean "abortion restrictions inbound".
I agree the "sissy men" thing is bad, and should be reevaluated by the party. However, the subject of the thread is that China is banning Queer people in video games and, as of now, there's not enough evidence to substantiate it. It's possible that it's true - China can and does do bad things, but we should err on the side of waiting for solid evidence and analysis.
Given that the increasing crackdown against "sissy men" aesthetics seems to be getting solid pushback in China anyways, I'm fairly hopeful this whole direction will be reevaluated.
China posted cringe, also I just played Eastward which was published in Shanghai and has several effeminate characters. If that game gets censored or pulled then I'll believe the news.
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Edit: Misread your comment. My point is that enough of it is confirmed to say that it's bad and can't be dismissed as fake.
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Actually most people here can affect Israeli policy since most people here are Americans.
Yeah man I'm gaslighting you. Systematic abuse occurring right now. Really convincing me there's no narcissism involved.
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You don't know what gaslighting is.
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That person is me btw.
You should do nothing about it. But you shouldn't whitewash what's happening or retreat into some made up reality. When people go around calling shit fake when it isn't, it discredits calling actual fake shit fake. Nobody's going to take you or us seriously when we say, "that's just Western propaganda," if we say that about everything. Moreover, downplaying homophobia is alienating and makes us look bad.
I basically acknowledged everything you said in the post I linked btw. I fully understand being critical of western media due to it being unreliable on China and due to the agenda of manufacturing consent. But when a story is actually true, you can just acknowledge that China isn't perfect and move on. Rather than being like, "China never does anything bad ever," why don't we be like, "China isn't perfect but that's no reason to do an imperialism at them."
Ok if China is banning effeminate men and homosexuals, that's bad. I remain unconvinced that it is.
People who live in China don't have any power to affect Chinese policy. It's decided from on high. Government just happens to you there. One day, there's an announcement, there is a 4-6 week lead time, then bam.
They're not fooling around, either. They eliminate whole sectors of the economy. They just wiped out the after-school education sector. One day they're chugging along fine, the next day poof, your business is worthless and parents are standing around with pre-paid contracts that are now worthless.
One day, egg monopoly, the next no more eggs
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Yeah, they eliminated it. The idea being that Chinese schools are all equal, and they all provide an excellent education.
Ask all the Chinese parents where they'd rather have their kids: a public school or an international school. That's where all the extra lessons after class come in: public schools in general are substandard. Remind you of America?
It's genuinely fucking hilarious that you're crying about China ending unequal schooling in a fucking Socialist forum.
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Orientalism dot png. Besides the clear and obvious ridiculousness (they do vote, and are consulted on policy), there are nearly 100 million members of the party.
Yeah, they vote on the lowest possible level. They have no real power.
To join the CPC requires high test scores, a good college and a lot of extra work. Not everyone is cut out for it. It's not democracy.
The Chinese people have no power at all in government. It doesn't do anything they want. This is why the central government has a 95% approval rate, as measured by a Harvard study. :very-smart:
The approval rate has nothing to do with whether a democracy exists or not.
It's actually ludicrous to think that the will of the people being followed isn't linked to approval rate, but if it helps, the majority of Chinese people also feel their system is democratic, much more than Americans do.
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Lmao least orientalist hexbear user
That's not really fair. The site does have some chauvinism issues (it's mostly used by westerners, so not surprising), but the average opinion is much better than whatever that guy's saying. Thankfully.
They haven't banned it though, this is all speculation
Not yet, but they've expressed a commitment to it.
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:this: there are boomer currents in the party as well as progressive ones. This (whatever it actually means) seems to be coming from the boomer current and facing social media backlash.
Then it seems prudent to support the backlash.
If the population is against it I doubt it'll happen