they also changed the fucking charger again jesus fucking christ this is unholy

  • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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    3 years ago

    it's expensive because the processor is fast. Earlier macs would come with the same Intel processor you could get cheaper elsewhere but this is their own hardware now

    This isn't a gaming computer the only kind of person that would consider this is someone who wold benefit professionally from the extra CPU and GPU cores

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Still can't believe how good ARM chips have gotten over the past few years. My android phone has a GPU with the same raw power as an original Xbox one. This apple laptop has around a 9+ teraflop GPU.

      It's just mind blowing. The prices are still indefensible though.

      • furryanarchy [comrade/them,they/them]
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        3 years ago

        You are forgetting about the display. That's a pro video editing display. One of those by itself as a standalone unit goes for the same price as the laptop itself. A standalone display would also be bigger, but still when you consider you are getting a good laptop with it, it's a good deal.

      • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I don't see how the price is indefensible, the pricing is similar to other professional laptops like the Thinkpad P series. Laptops with an Intel Xeon are like 3k and go up to 5k

        The macbook air is 3 times cheaper and does all the same things. This only makes sense to buy if you want to do those things (rending videos, compiling, whatever) faster which would only matter for a professional

        Making the laptop hard to repair and upgrade with your own RAM and SSD is bad

        • blobjim [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          At least that Thinkpad laptop has a GPU with 16 GB of memory and 6144 cores, instead of this wimpy integrated GPU.

          • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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            3 years ago

            It is difficult to compare these numbers across different architectures because how a "core" is defined. That Thinkpad laptop is x86, the Apple one is ARM. They are using different instruction sets and architectures

            Based on the performance of the M1 chips in the Macbook air, the Apple chips could perform better than their competition.

            • blobjim [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Well the GPU isn't x86_64 or ARM64, it's just a separate proprietary thing, but yes. Probably not a 1-to-1 on the GPU threads.

          • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            I mean the M1 max GPU isn't wimpy by most standards (its got around the same performance as next gen game consoles), but yeah the one in the Lenovo is much more powerful.

          • ppb [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            wimpy integrated GPU.

            the M1 GPU (specifically 16 core and 32 core ones, which don't translate 1:1 with CUDA cores or CPU cores) are actually not wimpy. The are vastly superior to Intel's integrated GPUs.

            While it is true that you can buy a laptop with a superior dedicated Nvidia/AMD card, in terms of frames per second, they'll require a fan as loud as a jet engine to cool and still burn your legs, plus your battery life will be 20 minutes gaming.

        • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          That ThinkPad is more powerful than most standalone PC's lol. Even on the GPU front, a 27 tflop GPU. Absolutely ridiculous

          I just don't see the point of consumer electronics that are so expensive. Yes, they offer amazing performance and features, but almost no one can buy them. I understand their use if you do video editing or something as a job, but damn it's expensive.

          The Apple laptop there is like more than half a year of my salary/what I like off in the global south lol. The ThinkPad is even worse

          • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I just don’t see the point of consumer electronics that are so expensive.

            They're not really consumer electronics. They don't offer any benefit to a normal consumer compared to a $1000 laptop.

            Gaming hardware is much worse. People are buying GPUs for $2000 to play games at a slightly higher FPS

    • mittens [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I think those ARM processors are way cheaper for Apple than the Intel ones, tbh