So many video essays about how to get the 3 act structure right, the Hero's journey, analyzing films through this lens, etc. Dan Harmon is always yapping on about his "story circle"... it's like damn is writing really that bland?

I feel like adherence to these guidelines and the quest to find the perfect structure cheapens things and generally gets in the way of things. But I don't know anything about writing so maybe that's nonsense. What do you guys think?

  • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Wait til you hear about the popular "Save the Cat" story blueprint which literally tells you what to do on which page exactly.

    • inshallah2 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Holy crap - I did some googling. There are even software programs that help you do this shit so you can entirely remove anything creative from your storytelling.

      How to Outline Your Novel with the Save the Cat! Beat Sheet

      Step 1: Divide Your Target Word Count Into 3 Acts

      The first thing we need to do is break down our total word count into three sections—or acts. In general, the:

      • First Act represents about 25% of the total word count
      • Second Act represents about 50% of the total word count
      • Third Act represents about 25% of the total word count

      So, that means we can break down our 80,000-target word count like this:

      • First Act (80,000 x.25) = about 20,000 words
      • Second Act (80,000 x.50) = about 40,000 words
      • Third Act (80,000 x.25) = about 20,000 words

      Step 2: Divide Each Act Into Scenes

      Now that you know approximately how many words will make up each act, you can divide each act into a target number of scenes.

      If you don’t know how many words per scene you write on average, use a target word count of 1,500 words per scene. I always recommend writing scenes between 1,000 and 2,000 words with the sweet spot being around 1,500 words. A 1,500-word scene is long enough to convey what’s happening and short enough to hold your reader’s attention and make them want to continue reading.

      So, here’s how we can break down each act into a target number of scenes–the:

      • First Act (20,000 words / 1,500-word scenes) = about 14 scenes
      • Second Act (40,000 words / 1,500-word scenes) = about 28 scenes
      • Third Act (20,000 words / 1,500-word scenes) = about 14 scenes

      Based on the math, our target scene count is 56 scenes. You’ll probably notice I rounded up the number of scenes for each act—that’s totally okay! I’m showing you how to make a plan for your novel—it’s not something you have to follow to a tee. Step 3: Figure Out Where the 15 Story Beats Go

      Now that you know how many scenes go in each act, you can start to figure out where each of the 15 story beats will go. In his book, Save the Cat! The Last Book on Screenwriting You’ll Ever Need, Blake Snyder lays out where each beat should go:

      1. Opening Image – 0% to 1%
      2. Theme Stated – 5%
      3. Setup – 1% to 10%
      4. Catalyst – 10%
      5. Debate – 10% to 20%
      6. Break Into Two – 20%
      7. B Story – 22%
      8. Fun and Games – 20% to 50%
      9. Midpoint – 50%
      10. Bad Guys Close In – 50% to 75%
      11. All is Lost – 75%
      12. Dark Night of the Soul – 75% to 80%
      13. Break Into Three – 80%
      14. Finale – 80% to 99%
      15. Final Image – 99% to 100%

      If only they could take it to the next level via AI. Say you're in LA and you need to pump out Dumb Action Movie VIII but you want to do blow off the hip bones of a 19 year-old - no worries you can do both. All you need to do is choose the right template and press "start".

      • BeamBrain [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        If only they could take it to the next level via AI.

        Allow me to introduce you to the Marvel Cinematic Universe

        • inshallah2 [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          I stopped watching comic book movies a long time ago. I made an exception for Doctor Strange in 2016 because I just had to. But it was as bad as I expected. No strangeness. Instead it was the same old formulaic storytelling plus the typical 8 digit expenditure on generic CGI.

          ——————

          Ninja edit

          I googled. There's going to be another movie because of course there is: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. I really need to stop googling. It's corroding my soul.

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Eh, it's a good framework to use to make a script that is filmable . There is a lot of room left in scripts for visual storytelling and the like. There's a lot of a movie that isn't on the page and the more that is leave little wiggle room during production where there will be tons of rewrites and shit will change to make things work on a practical basis. This is about how to write movies in a general sense. If it was cinematography it would be explaining the 180 rule or the rule of thirds. It's useful to know and have under your belt but isn't specific instructions.

            • inshallah2 [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              I googled for a particular Youtube vid that showed how Nickelback copied one of their own songs. I had no idea that copying their own songs is their entire shtick.

              • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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                3 years ago

                I have no use about Nickelback but dbeat is a punk subgenre focused on imitating one particular band who also had a very specific formula for their songs

            • inshallah2 [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              Heh.

              I started playing guitar August last year. I wrote two songs that I ended up discarding. That was okay. I had no idea what I was doing. Then I used that very video as inspiration to try again.

              The chord progression is used in U2's With or Without You. I was going to try to make a very loose cover of that song but doing that was (and is) way beyond me. Over weeks I played those four chords over and over and over and over until I got more and more musical ideas. Eventually I wrote a song I call Joy.

              I finished the current version around March. It uses Edge-like echo with some syncopation. When I play the entire song all the way through - it's still choppy. It remains a bit too hard for me to play it smoothly. But maybe in ~6 months I'll be able to play it well enough that I can share it in c/music.

              all pop songs are the same

              My song is an instrumental.