Prison abolition/Police abolition/defunding the police.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an argument that goes into what happens after abolition. Like are we aiming for the Scandinavian model of prisons, community policing, or what? When you say abolition and don’t offer any concrete solutions people will end up voting for the former cop in NYC.
I don’t care about slogans on signs. I was listening to a talk by Angela Davis involving prison abolition and she never brought up what replaces it. That’s the time I want to hear solutions.
In addition, I think that a lot of the arguments I have heard at least end up sounding like slapping a new name along with some fundamental reforms onto it, which is fine I guess if thats the intention but it gets confusing when combined with the slogan of abolition.
Make it obligatory community policing service everyone has to do one month a year, unless they fucked up last time, then they have to clean the sewers. Easy
any participation on a policing force (even good post win of communism community policing) should require months and months (years probably) or experience and training , psychological and background investigation. Having random people doing for an arbitrary amount of time every arbitrary amount of time (unless they fucked up last time oopsie lol) sounds like a recipe for disaster on so many levels
The best proposal I've heard argues for splitting up the role of police into two parts, one of which is emergency response, and one of which is violence work- doing violence on people who are an imminent threat to others.
The emergency response would be more like a cross between handymen and social workers. Programs like CAHOOTS in Eugene, OR are already remarkably successful at relieving the police force of 50% of their calls.
Violence workers shouldn't come out until someone is threatening another person's life. And they shouldn't be the first line of response; no one should just be able to basically SWAT somebody else. The lesson from the death penalty should be better internalized: if it is wrong for individuals to kill, it is wrong for the state to kill, unless the threat is severe and persistent.
There's a video from England of an erratic person brandishing a long knife, and the police draw him into a sort of impasse until they get a delivery of riot shields and knock him to the ground and box him in. That is exactly how it should end, with the dangerous person disarmed and no one hurt.
Prison abolition/Police abolition/defunding the police.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an argument that goes into what happens after abolition. Like are we aiming for the Scandinavian model of prisons, community policing, or what? When you say abolition and don’t offer any concrete solutions people will end up voting for the former cop in NYC.
there's resources for this but we can't write 18 paragraphs on every goddamn sign
and libs refuse to read anyway
we dont scrap 'down with capitalism' because people are baffled at how a noncapitalist society functions, we shouldn't capitulate on this either
I don’t care about slogans on signs. I was listening to a talk by Angela Davis involving prison abolition and she never brought up what replaces it. That’s the time I want to hear solutions.
In addition, I think that a lot of the arguments I have heard at least end up sounding like slapping a new name along with some fundamental reforms onto it, which is fine I guess if thats the intention but it gets confusing when combined with the slogan of abolition.
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Make it obligatory community policing service everyone has to do one month a year, unless they fucked up last time, then they have to clean the sewers. Easy
any participation on a policing force (even good post win of communism community policing) should require months and months (years probably) or experience and training , psychological and background investigation. Having random people doing for an arbitrary amount of time every arbitrary amount of time (unless they fucked up last time oopsie lol) sounds like a recipe for disaster on so many levels
Jury duty but with guns
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It literally couldn't be worse than what we have now. The bar is set so low
The best proposal I've heard argues for splitting up the role of police into two parts, one of which is emergency response, and one of which is violence work- doing violence on people who are an imminent threat to others.
The emergency response would be more like a cross between handymen and social workers. Programs like CAHOOTS in Eugene, OR are already remarkably successful at relieving the police force of 50% of their calls.
Violence workers shouldn't come out until someone is threatening another person's life. And they shouldn't be the first line of response; no one should just be able to basically SWAT somebody else. The lesson from the death penalty should be better internalized: if it is wrong for individuals to kill, it is wrong for the state to kill, unless the threat is severe and persistent.
There's a video from England of an erratic person brandishing a long knife, and the police draw him into a sort of impasse until they get a delivery of riot shields and knock him to the ground and box him in. That is exactly how it should end, with the dangerous person disarmed and no one hurt.
This is what’s lacking in getting the messaging out. Thank you for being too the point and simple.
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