I dunno if any of our kink societies can trace any lineage back to that group. Interesting if true, but that kinda thing isn't in any of the cultrual histories I have known of. I suppose I am being amero centric, they probably are places with history in other places. There are shoe stores in Europe older than America.
The history I hear at munches is that our modern American kink culture came from hippies mixing with vets after the war and it grew to replace our lack of authentic culture that had died and that it was self consciously patterned after the gay leather community. People been fuckin' I get that part. I just mean that as a self conscious community it came up to help replace working class intuitions in the post war era. I am sure there was stuff before that, but no one currently has a strong cultural memory of it that I am aware of.
identifying as a public, self-conscious community is a bad benchmark. that was part of a struggle for civil rights, the people didn't spring out from nowhere when they started organising.
there's plenty of literature & art predating the 50's, it's safe to say some group of people were the audience & praxists even when they weren't self-identifying
idk if ur doing a bit but in case your not this isn't accurate at all
bdsm has antecedents long predating boomers :very-smart:
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I dunno if any of our kink societies can trace any lineage back to that group. Interesting if true, but that kinda thing isn't in any of the cultrual histories I have known of. I suppose I am being amero centric, they probably are places with history in other places. There are shoe stores in Europe older than America.
The history I hear at munches is that our modern American kink culture came from hippies mixing with vets after the war and it grew to replace our lack of authentic culture that had died and that it was self consciously patterned after the gay leather community. People been fuckin' I get that part. I just mean that as a self conscious community it came up to help replace working class intuitions in the post war era. I am sure there was stuff before that, but no one currently has a strong cultural memory of it that I am aware of.
identifying as a public, self-conscious community is a bad benchmark. that was part of a struggle for civil rights, the people didn't spring out from nowhere when they started organising.
there's plenty of literature & art predating the 50's, it's safe to say some group of people were the audience & praxists even when they weren't self-identifying