disclaimer- not sure if i really fit under trans umbrella or not. I can kind of understand being pissy if some third gender person you barely know is giving you shit for not immediately knowing your xe from your xir. There has to be some allowance for the fact that common pronouns are deeply engrained for most people and it takes some rewiring to learn new ones. (And also I think it's a dick move to choose intentionally difficult pronouns... not a motivating factor for most neopronoun users but it is in isolated cases.) But Hasan wasn't just saying cut us some slack, he was also basically saying don't even bother trying to learn. And also kinda shitting on third gender people. Like I get it, I don't know wtf heligender is supposed to be and i can't understand what circumstances or personality traits would lead one to identify that way. But I think the line has to be that gender identity is a personal journey for you alone to define for yourself, and I don't like the notion that we're going to be in the business of delineating the joke genders from the real genders. So pretty shit take by Hasan on the whole, not completely unreasonable but there's no reason to be that combative when nobody's even asked you to learn their pronouns, there's literally zero burden on you.
In reality people that use neopronouns most likely won’t get upset if you use they/them if you literally don’t know and are generally pretty chill. Just ask what someone wants to be referred to by and do it. If I said to you my pronouns were fae/faer it’d just be that. If you mess up apologize and correct it and move on.
There’s this weird take by cis people that trans people will bite your head off at a single mistake when that just doesn’t happen, as long as it’s not intentional and you make an effort to correct yourself then it’s fine.
Hasan’s take is shit in any capacity because it’s really not that hard, I get English is his second language but just like the gendered language he uses and messes up at times he should just as easily adopt neopronouns and apologize when messing up. In the end he has never had decent takes on trans issues and eeks by on the merit of not being super outwardly hostile.
People like Hasan saying "cut us some slack" is so weak. It's the same woah as me cis shit that reactionary cis people have been saying about every half step of progress :cissues:
"It takes time to learn!!" as they intricately learn bourgeois political systems and deep dive their favorite media. He doesn't have to get it all immediately, but he's a public figure on the left. The least he can do is take time to learn a bit when it comes to something as personal as someones identity. Find me these aggressive neopronoun users that are screaming at Hasan for not knowing someone's pronouns by first glance
disclaimer- not sure if i really fit under trans umbrella or not. I can kind of understand being pissy if some third gender person you barely know is giving you shit for not immediately knowing your xe from your xir. There has to be some allowance for the fact that common pronouns are deeply engrained for most people and it takes some rewiring to learn new ones. (And also I think it's a dick move to choose intentionally difficult pronouns... not a motivating factor for most neopronoun users but it is in isolated cases.) But Hasan wasn't just saying cut us some slack, he was also basically saying don't even bother trying to learn. And also kinda shitting on third gender people. Like I get it, I don't know wtf heligender is supposed to be and i can't understand what circumstances or personality traits would lead one to identify that way. But I think the line has to be that gender identity is a personal journey for you alone to define for yourself, and I don't like the notion that we're going to be in the business of delineating the joke genders from the real genders. So pretty shit take by Hasan on the whole, not completely unreasonable but there's no reason to be that combative when nobody's even asked you to learn their pronouns, there's literally zero burden on you.
In reality people that use neopronouns most likely won’t get upset if you use they/them if you literally don’t know and are generally pretty chill. Just ask what someone wants to be referred to by and do it. If I said to you my pronouns were fae/faer it’d just be that. If you mess up apologize and correct it and move on.
There’s this weird take by cis people that trans people will bite your head off at a single mistake when that just doesn’t happen, as long as it’s not intentional and you make an effort to correct yourself then it’s fine.
Hasan’s take is shit in any capacity because it’s really not that hard, I get English is his second language but just like the gendered language he uses and messes up at times he should just as easily adopt neopronouns and apologize when messing up. In the end he has never had decent takes on trans issues and eeks by on the merit of not being super outwardly hostile.
People like Hasan saying "cut us some slack" is so weak. It's the same woah as me cis shit that reactionary cis people have been saying about every half step of progress :cissues:
"It takes time to learn!!" as they intricately learn bourgeois political systems and deep dive their favorite media. He doesn't have to get it all immediately, but he's a public figure on the left. The least he can do is take time to learn a bit when it comes to something as personal as someones identity. Find me these aggressive neopronoun users that are screaming at Hasan for not knowing someone's pronouns by first glance
I can understand his point of view, if you take into consideration that his first language is inherently gender neutral.
He said He/She is something unusual and he's gonna use they for everyone not comforming with these binaries.
Idk. Maybe I got a shit take here.