Tunnel system in south Lebanon runs hundreds of kms, up to the border and even into Israel; launchers can fire precision-guided missiles from there, then disappear, says Tal Beeri
have to justify the attack on Lebanon somehow
also why don't we have a burning Israeli flag emoji?
You are just accepting the Zionist premise that Israel = Jews, it’s pretty pathetic. Is it “anti-Semitic” when Hezbollah burns the flag of the Zionist entity? No.
Resistance fighters burn the Israeli flag all the time and that’a good and based. Cowardice from the mods and giving into Zionist narratives
Oh so if some Jewish protesters say “from the river to the sea” makes them uncomfortable we should fold to their concern trolling? That's just the end of that discussion huh? And when jews say Harvard is anti-semitic and pro-palestine protests make them uncomfortable, that's just the end of that discussion too?
You know it's bullshit, you don't buy this argument anywhere else
I’m an Arab poster and mods giving in to Zionist concern trolling makes me feel uncomfortable and like they believe israel = Jews and they think Hezbollah and Ansarallah are “anti-semites”. There's not one place on the western internet that's free of this cowardly hedging. Nowhere that will just outright support the axis of resistance and not wring their hands in worry the whole time. Every single place caves to zionist rhetoric eventually.
“It’s just an internet emoji it doesn’t matter”
If it doesn’t matter so much then add it and stop backing up Zionist arguments
I have this and will post it over and over. Let go of accepting Zionist concern trolling and embrace Hezbollah thought. You are just accepting the Zionist conflation and giving into it. It’s false and you know it
Your argument is basically “Zionists are right that Judaism is Zionism and Hezbollah and Ansarallah are anti-Semitic for burning flags with the Star of David”
You know this argument sucks but some mod made some bad decision about it and now you are backed into a corner defending an undefendable argument we all know is false
My first instinct is to agree with you, the scoldposts that don't say/add anything are very annoying but does it really matter if its the Israel flag or not?
We all know what the substitute is for and no one can accuse this place of anti-semitism. No one here disagrees that Israel is a bad fucked up place.
I think you should be free to keep posting burning flags and anyone who has an issue should talk to you about it, not hide behind mods.
If you wanted to be part of the struggle session maybe you should have been here when it was done back in October, but as it is you're not saying anything that wasn't said then.
i don't give a fuck about hexbear internal clique politics or 'struggle sessions'. Accepting zionist arguments and folding to their concern trolling in such a way that would throw ansarallah under the bus is pathetic. Slimy. It stinks like all zionist concern trolling.
No, we've already done the whole argument, you can find it by searching :israel cool:. Your points were made and responded to there, but the discussion revolved around stopping actual antisemites using it for coded antisemitism, not zionists equating them.
There's and to convey the exact same sentiment, but we don't have and aren't adding any burning religious symbols.
You might think you're above them, but our "internal clique politics" are how the site is shaped into a safe space for all comrades. If you don't like it there are plenty of other instances available for you to join.
No they're correctly pointing out that Israel's flag has a star of David on it and that could be turned against us, just as it is in real life. They're not conflating Zionists and Jews
Turkeys flag has Islamic imagery on it too, here is Hezbollah chads burning it and burning the Zionist rag
Are you saying they are anti-Semitic and Islamophobic? That hezbollah has bad optics? I disagree, I think caving to Zionists is bad optics. I think you sound like the libs pearl clutching over the optics of Indian protesters using a "stalinist" flag. it's horseshit and even entertaining their stupid arguments means you lost and are under their civility/tone-policing thumb
ok yeah I actually responded with that above but it seems that that's not the reason.
I'm wondering then how it would be misused as you said below? The only thing I can think of is it would be misused by antisemites, but that sort of feels like we're equating Judaism and Israel, which is something we are explicitly trying not to do. What is burning is pretty clearly the flag itself which represents Israel and not Judaism.
It just feels like it makes more sense to have a burning Israeli flag than a burning Philippines flag. Would rather a settler colony burn than a neocolonial victim of US imperialism with an ongoing communist insurgency (although I don't actually know their relation to the flag).
ok, well I'm not sure I totally agree, I've already been called an antisemite and a Jew-hater for merely opposing Palestinian genocide, even when presenting my position in terms a liberal can understand. I'm not sure how much more damage a burning Israeli flag can do to our image, and at least it would be in line with our values. However, I will accept the Hexbear party line and lay off it.
we didn't have a vote if that's what you're asking. but if users really really want a burning star of david which the woman who does 90% of our emojis has very justifiably voiced hesitance about, they can. if they do it themselves and overcome the rest of us who support whyesseff's decision about it.
Ah, when GinAndJuche said it was the party line, I thought the mods might have officially released something on the topic. We're not really talking about demcent in this context, then.
The whole burning flag thing has become a really weird fixation, and I've seen it on a lot of posts.
It might be best to actually put it to a user vote. Or, if the mods aren't willing to budge, just let people know it's not happening and use it as an opportunity to educate as to why.
Better ban "From The River to the Sea, Palestine Will Be Free" then too while we're just caving to all bad faith Liberal tone policing and bourgeois optics. Actually, if you think about it, talking about Palestine at all makes many Jewish people uncomfortable so we should remove it from this site.
Because it has a religious symbol on it.
We have multiple burning religious symbols.
Burning jewish symbols is evocative of things that would be easily used against us. Too easy for right wingers to co-opt a burning star of david.
You are just accepting the Zionist premise that Israel = Jews, it’s pretty pathetic. Is it “anti-Semitic” when Hezbollah burns the flag of the Zionist entity? No.
Resistance fighters burn the Israeli flag all the time and that’a good and based. Cowardice from the mods and giving into Zionist narratives
Several Jewish hexbears have said that a burning star of David would make them uncomfortable, that's the end of that discussion.
It's an emoji on an internet forum. You'll be fine without it.
Oh so if some Jewish protesters say “from the river to the sea” makes them uncomfortable we should fold to their concern trolling? That's just the end of that discussion huh? And when jews say Harvard is anti-semitic and pro-palestine protests make them uncomfortable, that's just the end of that discussion too?
You know it's bullshit, you don't buy this argument anywhere else
I’m an Arab poster and mods giving in to Zionist concern trolling makes me feel uncomfortable and like they believe israel = Jews and they think Hezbollah and Ansarallah are “anti-semites”. There's not one place on the western internet that's free of this cowardly hedging. Nowhere that will just outright support the axis of resistance and not wring their hands in worry the whole time. Every single place caves to zionist rhetoric eventually.
“It’s just an internet emoji it doesn’t matter”
If it doesn’t matter so much then add it and stop backing up Zionist arguments
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I have this and will post it over and over. Let go of accepting Zionist concern trolling and embrace Hezbollah thought. You are just accepting the Zionist conflation and giving into it. It’s false and you know it
Your argument is basically “Zionists are right that Judaism is Zionism and Hezbollah and Ansarallah are anti-Semitic for burning flags with the Star of David”
You know this argument sucks but some mod made some bad decision about it and now you are backed into a corner defending an undefendable argument we all know is false
My first instinct is to agree with you, the scoldposts that don't say/add anything are very annoying but does it really matter if its the Israel flag or not?
We all know what the substitute is for and no one can accuse this place of anti-semitism. No one here disagrees that Israel is a bad fucked up place.
I think you should be free to keep posting burning flags and anyone who has an issue should talk to you about it, not hide behind mods.
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If you wanted to be part of the struggle session maybe you should have been here when it was done back in October, but as it is you're not saying anything that wasn't said then.
i don't give a fuck about hexbear internal clique politics or 'struggle sessions'. Accepting zionist arguments and folding to their concern trolling in such a way that would throw ansarallah under the bus is pathetic. Slimy. It stinks like all zionist concern trolling.
No, we've already done the whole argument, you can find it by searching :israel cool:. Your points were made and responded to there, but the discussion revolved around stopping actual antisemites using it for coded antisemitism, not zionists equating them.
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to convey the exact same sentiment, but we don't have and aren't adding any burning religious symbols.
There's
You might think you're above them, but our "internal clique politics" are how the site is shaped into a safe space for all comrades. If you don't like it there are plenty of other instances available for you to join.
This is actually a way crazier argument than the people saying we have to listen to Jewish students at Harvard - I mean Hexbear, typo my bad
No they're correctly pointing out that Israel's flag has a star of David on it and that could be turned against us, just as it is in real life. They're not conflating Zionists and Jews
Turkeys flag has Islamic imagery on it too, here is Hezbollah chads burning it and burning the Zionist rag
Are you saying they are anti-Semitic and Islamophobic? That hezbollah has bad optics? I disagree, I think caving to Zionists is bad optics. I think you sound like the libs pearl clutching over the optics of Indian protesters using a "stalinist" flag. it's horseshit and even entertaining their stupid arguments means you lost and are under their civility/tone-policing thumb
ok yeah I actually responded with that above but it seems that that's not the reason.
I'm wondering then how it would be misused as you said below? The only thing I can think of is it would be misused by antisemites, but that sort of feels like we're equating Judaism and Israel, which is something we are explicitly trying not to do. What is burning is pretty clearly the flag itself which represents Israel and not Judaism.
It just feels like it makes more sense to have a burning Israeli flag than a burning Philippines flag. Would rather a settler colony burn than a neocolonial victim of US imperialism with an ongoing communist insurgency (although I don't actually know their relation to the flag).
that is precisely the reason. As leftists we have to tread on eggshells because every excuse to accuse us IS going to be used against us.
ok, well I'm not sure I totally agree, I've already been called an antisemite and a Jew-hater for merely opposing Palestinian genocide, even when presenting my position in terms a liberal can understand. I'm not sure how much more damage a burning Israeli flag can do to our image, and at least it would be in line with our values. However, I will accept the Hexbear party line and lay off it.
Democratic centralism. we don't have to agree. I don't, but its the party position.
Democratic centralism requires democracy. This place ain’t a democracy so I hold no obligation to follow mod edicts
Honest question: was this decided democratically? How was it facilitated?
we didn't have a vote if that's what you're asking. but if users really really want a burning star of david which the woman who does 90% of our emojis has very justifiably voiced hesitance about, they can. if they do it themselves and overcome the rest of us who support whyesseff's decision about it.
Ah, when GinAndJuche said it was the party line, I thought the mods might have officially released something on the topic. We're not really talking about demcent in this context, then.
The whole burning flag thing has become a really weird fixation, and I've seen it on a lot of posts.
It might be best to actually put it to a user vote. Or, if the mods aren't willing to budge, just let people know it's not happening and use it as an opportunity to educate as to why.
Some mod and not any democratic means lmao
Better ban "From The River to the Sea, Palestine Will Be Free" then too while we're just caving to all bad faith Liberal tone policing and bourgeois optics. Actually, if you think about it, talking about Palestine at all makes many Jewish people uncomfortable so we should remove it from this site.
We have
fwiw
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