I see from the /r/antiwork dunktank threads that most of you don't understand the irl anarchist movement, so ask me anything, let's learn.
Recc reading for what these guys actually believe
I see from the /r/antiwork dunktank threads that most of you don't understand the irl anarchist movement, so ask me anything, let's learn.
Recc reading for what these guys actually believe
Do we actually have documentation on the kind of things feds post? I'd be really curious to see it.
Purely from what you and supporters are posting the last couple of hours, the message is entirely convenient to a conservative agenda.
They want a chaotic social and political environment, they believe it's necessary to their agenda and that it's how they'll thrive. They don't want a peaceful, progressing social and cultural environment. They don't want a serene society where the natural result is oppressed members feeling empowered enough to demand equality. They want a tense, stressed society where everyone is walking around strapped and maybe on uppers.
It's the same geopolitically imo, the US does not want a calm global economy with free trade anymore. They'll lose position to China. They prefer to reign in chaos.
I mean, responses to petty crime and rebellion will be automated pretty soon. Better to expend your energies in organizing to take control of automation, than to try and fight the robots + cameras.
Is there any scenario where an organization in the US got enough power that it might threaten automation or the oligarchs in general that doesn't result in the org either being fully co-opted at the top level by feds or with the leaders dead or in prison? I can't see one, personally.
That why we chip away with a thousand smaller organizations that loosely work together. It's less efficient, but makes it much more difficult to infiltrate and disable them.
I think the black panthers would count as a "smaller" regional org, and we all know what the feds did to them. I just don't see any vanguard party or parties situation working from within the panopticon.
Things seem to be swinging twords conditions that would make that possible. Its not there yet though.
Unfortunately I don't think the security apparatus has any plans on weakening their grip, regardless of what the people think. State security forces have been used in combat against striking union workers in the past and I have no doubt that option will still be on the table for as long as I live.
They are a lot less competent now. Or at least they look that way.
One thing is for sure, people on the left are a bit more prudent about opsec and I hope more skeptical of people suggesting doing adventurism, but the recent triumphs of state secret police (the governor kidnapping farce, pretty sure jan 6th) suggest they're still on their bullshit. Even the Austin Red Guard are a pretty good example - everybody on the left seems to be on the same page about them being feds but libs and right wingers fully believe they're genuine leftists doing stupid things.
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It's true, I've seen it happen. Big groups on the other hand tend to be really bad at holding leadership or even membership accountable and changing in the face of criticism.
Both are neccessary at different times
Nice sentence fucker :)
tbh yes, I can see positive scenarios, but maybe I'm delusional.
I don't see any positivity coming from the message coming across the last couple of hours here tho.
I'm not being glib about this, it's probably a common reaction, but if you feel like there's nothing for you but petty crime and rebellion, why not find somewhere to live some semblance of a dignified life, with intergenerational contact. It's gotta be better than dashing yourself against an indifferent machine.
...do I need a passport and a visa to find this place?
Only you know what you need.
Can you visualize a scenario where you could live a worthy life outside the core?
This is a bit too hand wavy. The point I was implying was, if we need a bunch of money and a visa to find such a place it's not really a practical goal for most of us here.
But the question remains. It's worth thinking about.
I guess I wasn't clear, I'm pretty far beyond "can I visualize living a worthy life outside the core" and I'm into "is it at all feasible or practical to pursue this goal". I'm also pretty sure it's neither feasible nor practical.
Because most of these people are queer and intergenerational contact is often out of the question
It's a fair point, but not a dead end imo. Even in a rural conservative area.
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I'm certainly not a nihilist. I'm an IWW member, and I'm also a realist with my eyes open.
There are post leftists who advocate taking over the MoP, Fredy Perlman (pre primitivist turn) and other post situationists especially. He talked about how during periods of revolutionary upheaval, we can't trust the workers unions or parties to seize the MoP, so it's up to "handfuls of madmen" to rush into the factories and start producing things with the goal of giving them to revolutionaries in the streets and universities the same way farmers started producing food for them during mai 68.
They look around for people susceptible to that kind of message and then DM them and try to convince them to go through with it, see the case of the people trying to kidnap the Michigan governor. There were like 2 actual chuds and 6 feds with them egging them on. ALAB podcast had a good episode on it. That said, i'd guess they probably dont bother with trying to get people to steal from their job, unless your part of an org or something and they want some pretext to investigate you. The spy cops thing in the UK also has some examples of what undercover cops do. You might be able to pull some examples of actual fed posts from court cases, but that sounds like too much work.
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