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  • UncleJoe [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    China's relations with Israel is fucking cringe and I say this as someone who frequently gets called a 50 cent army wumao

    They even sell them fucking weapons lol

    • BigRed [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      They're not an arms exporter to Israel. Israel is the arms/military equipment/technology exporter to China in that relationship. Israel was trying for years to become China’s back door to western military technology and arms due to sanctions on China from the US and Europe that aimed to freeze China’s access to advanced military technology and weapons after the events at Tiananmen. China’s military exports are mostly to Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Algeria. They tend to prioritize selling weapons to their neighbors.

      • HodgePodge [love/loves]
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        3 years ago

        So to clarify, China works with Isreal because it's a way they can funnel American military tech into their country?

        • BigRed [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          It’s a factor. The sale of Israeli military technology for developing tanks, air-to-air missiles, and jet fighters to China that helped modernize China’s army and air force frightened a lot of western government officials:

          Despite the previous reports, the bluntness of the C.I.A. assessment surprised Congressional specialists and appears to reflect a growing concern among American intelligence experts that China is seeking to use Israel indirectly to obtain military technology that United States and other Western nations have refused to sell to Beijing.

          The intelligence agency reports that despite worries in the West about China's military buildup and its export of missile systems and other weapons to Pakistan, Iran and other nations, Israel has continued to share military technology with the Chinese.

          America has still been trying to limit Israel from re-exporting shared western military technology to China and did manage to force Israel to cancel some of their previous deals that included upgrading Chinese drones with their technology and the sale of their airborne early-warning radar system technology to China. Western officials are also still afraid of a civil-military integration strategy in China where the Chinese government encourages commercial exchange with the west to then funnel acquired technologies to China’s military. With many of the most advanced chips in the semiconductor industry being developed in Israel and the dual-use nature of semiconductors, American officials are concerned that China’s interest in this sector would be used to further modernize and strengthen the PLA, which has goals of completing military modernization by 2035 and of becoming a “world-class” military by 2049. There's also the issue where China likely does not want Israel right now to become another government to strengthen military ties with Taiwan (oddly enough, Israel was the first in the middle east to recognize the PRC as the legitimate government of China in 1950, which is something I still don't really understand why). China’s arms imports still overwhelmingly come from Russia.

          Vietnam has also become one of Israel’s largest markets for weapons and surveillance technology. Regardless, it would still be best imo for socialist governments (including Vietnam and China) to adopt the DPRK’s approach to Israel:

          North Korea does not recognise Israel, denouncing it as an "imperialist satellite".[2] Since 1988 it has recognised the sovereignty of the State of Palestine over all of Israel.

    • Ovuan [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      No, they don't. westerners stop projecting your crimes and sins challenge.

      China is simply maintaining the UN's position. This is what upholding multilateralism entails. Neither europe nor america uphold it, hence why nothing can be done to help Palestinians through the UN. The problem is not the global south, as usual.

      This is not hard to understand if some people here actually read what the UN is about. But dystopian western media has consistently censored how the UN votes on key issues like Palestine, or what the official stances of western regimes are on actual human rights worldwide.

      It's quite dystopian how some users on this site are at the point of anglo societal collapse where they don't even have the energies to educate themselves any longer, they have given up completely. Part of the reason why the societal collapse of anglo regimes is impossible to mitigate, there is no dissent at any non-negligible scale. Too easy to manipulate, too uneducated, too lazy. They get what they deserve.

        • Ovuan [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Those are all key allies of China (the DPRK would not even exist without China, which is basically the only country helping them survive by evading sanctions). I don't understand what you think you are saying. Cuba also supports the UN position. You would know, if you had bothered to read.

        • Ovuan [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Yes, I, like China, defend international law, not "rules based order" (what "rules" exactly?). I like how your brain has been captured by propaganda so brutally you don't even understand that the term "rules based order" is literally a propaganda deflection by your regime, to avoid accepting the real thing that already exists called "international law", precisely because western regimes do not uphold international law, as Palestine shows. China does uphold "international law", hence why it's so ironic you can't even understand the meaning of words any longer. Full propaganda brain, you don't even get the basics.

          Also, which part is exactly wrong about China's policy? I mean real policy that produces actual results over time, not the cringe-worthy virtue signaling you are used to in your settler regimes due to your anti-democratic regime rendering you completely impotent. What have any westerners ever done for Palestine in any material sense? I can name plenty of things China has done for Palestine on material terms.

          China is the only country basically keeping Palestine with leverage. Through its network of allies like Iran and the DPRK, Palestine knows it still has support while even many countries in the region have threatened to ditch Palestine, like the gulf states. That China upholds the UN in turns gives China a lot of leverage on the global south too (since the global south wants to have a say on international matters, not just be dictated orders). Over time, this helps erode the zionist "rules based order" status quo your settler/colonialist regimes defend, making "international law" the order embraced by the vast majority of the planet, as western regimes continue suffering accelerated decline. Time favors Palestine.

          • HodgePodge [love/loves]
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            3 years ago

            :fry:

            Not sure if terminal brainworms or a bit account meant to make third-worldists look like sickos.

      • HodgePodge [love/loves]
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        3 years ago

        This whole comment reads like what a stoner turns in as an essay when they haven't read the assignment.

        • Ovuan [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          In other words, you don't have the knowledge so you can't reply. Quite funny how much it bothers you that I call out the crimes of the settler regime you pay taxes to. When will you uncover the mass graves of the children you keep buried to pretend you aren't a genocidal settler regime to this very day?

          Class reductionist people like you will only continue to get more depressed about reality because your understanding of the world is fully incompatible with reality. That's the eternal curse of settlers in denial.