just because it takes 2 people's genetic material to make a child doesn't mean that they should get to isolate the child from society. it takes a whole village to raise a child. when the only thing people have power over is their child, even if it doesn't end with abuse, it's still a messed up power dynamic. enlarge the family, combine families, hell even return to communes. 2 authorities are way too few
Did your parents lock you in the house until adulthood? Normal parents don't isolate their kids from society, they usually realise that they will become adults who will need to live in it. We also don't live in villages for the most part and a city is an awful parent. Most kids still spend times with extended family and family friends. They also go to school and socialise with other kids and tend to go visit their friends houses and shit as well. Children aren't typically isolated from society by their parents.
That's the ideal case yes, but a lot of links in that chain can break. Fearmongering creates paranoid helicopter parents. The village is a metaphor for the fact that 2 people will get absolutely exhausted from shouldering all the responsibility themselves while working full time (the fatigue also damages the relationship). Celebrating holidays with extended family a few times a year is no substitute for having more people be part of the household. If parents don't like who their kid hangs out with, they can ground them, and nobody can stop them. Even if most parents are reasonable, they still shouldn't have a monopoly on that power.
Wouldn't having more family in the household mean that your parents have to live with their authoritarian parents even longer? How about parents shouldn't have to work full time? Your solution to bad parenting seems to be throwing more parents at the problem,. And grounding isn't real, you can just not listen, they have no legal ground to enforce a grounding.
It doesn't have to be multigenerational, it doesn't even have to be blood relatives. But even a multigenerational family would be better simply because there are more authorities that can disagree and discuss, which would hopefully end with better decisions, or at the very least teach the child that authorities aren't absolute and there can be conflict. I wouldn't only throw more parents at the problem, I would throw more children too. Grounding is very real, the parents can enforce it themselves, or have punishments after the fact. The power dynamic doesn't even require enforcement in many cases, the child will have learned to obey.
Well, I'm glad your group living situation was harmonious enough to not be awful for a child. That's not the universal experience and making it so seems way harder than decent housing, shorter work hours, paid parental leave, Les car centric planning and a plethora of other much more practical things than telling everyone to live together in giant family units and help raise other people's kids. That's a hard sell.
I sort of took all that for granted but you are correct that under current circumstances it's a hard sell. Although you wouldn't only be helping raise other people's kids, they would also help you raise yours. I think in Full Communism(tm) you'd have a hard time arguing why you should get to keep your family out of everyone else's sight, they would suspect abuse.
That is the 'normal' TV representation of what kids lives are like. There's a lot of kids that don't live that life. You're not doing ANYTHING under the age of like 13 if your parents don't want you to. By that time you're going to have a super warped outlook on life .Your parents can get you sent to juvenile detention for disobeying them even.
Who said you wouldn't know them? Enlarging doesn't mean procreating, it can be as easy as having your sibling or friend move in for a while. Idk if couples would make more sense. It might be good to have some experience of raising a child before you get your own.
just because it takes 2 people's genetic material to make a child doesn't mean that they should get to isolate the child from society. it takes a whole village to raise a child. when the only thing people have power over is their child, even if it doesn't end with abuse, it's still a messed up power dynamic. enlarge the family, combine families, hell even return to communes. 2 authorities are way too few
Did your parents lock you in the house until adulthood? Normal parents don't isolate their kids from society, they usually realise that they will become adults who will need to live in it. We also don't live in villages for the most part and a city is an awful parent. Most kids still spend times with extended family and family friends. They also go to school and socialise with other kids and tend to go visit their friends houses and shit as well. Children aren't typically isolated from society by their parents.
That's the ideal case yes, but a lot of links in that chain can break. Fearmongering creates paranoid helicopter parents. The village is a metaphor for the fact that 2 people will get absolutely exhausted from shouldering all the responsibility themselves while working full time (the fatigue also damages the relationship). Celebrating holidays with extended family a few times a year is no substitute for having more people be part of the household. If parents don't like who their kid hangs out with, they can ground them, and nobody can stop them. Even if most parents are reasonable, they still shouldn't have a monopoly on that power.
Wouldn't having more family in the household mean that your parents have to live with their authoritarian parents even longer? How about parents shouldn't have to work full time? Your solution to bad parenting seems to be throwing more parents at the problem,. And grounding isn't real, you can just not listen, they have no legal ground to enforce a grounding.
It doesn't have to be multigenerational, it doesn't even have to be blood relatives. But even a multigenerational family would be better simply because there are more authorities that can disagree and discuss, which would hopefully end with better decisions, or at the very least teach the child that authorities aren't absolute and there can be conflict. I wouldn't only throw more parents at the problem, I would throw more children too. Grounding is very real, the parents can enforce it themselves, or have punishments after the fact. The power dynamic doesn't even require enforcement in many cases, the child will have learned to obey.
I'm guessing you've never lived with a bunch of roomates.
I have, and while that has its own problems I still find it vastly preferable.
Well, I'm glad your group living situation was harmonious enough to not be awful for a child. That's not the universal experience and making it so seems way harder than decent housing, shorter work hours, paid parental leave, Les car centric planning and a plethora of other much more practical things than telling everyone to live together in giant family units and help raise other people's kids. That's a hard sell.
I sort of took all that for granted but you are correct that under current circumstances it's a hard sell. Although you wouldn't only be helping raise other people's kids, they would also help you raise yours. I think in Full Communism(tm) you'd have a hard time arguing why you should get to keep your family out of everyone else's sight, they would suspect abuse.
That is the 'normal' TV representation of what kids lives are like. There's a lot of kids that don't live that life. You're not doing ANYTHING under the age of like 13 if your parents don't want you to. By that time you're going to have a super warped outlook on life .Your parents can get you sent to juvenile detention for disobeying them even.
Except for the people who don't have shitty parents. They have those.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Who said you wouldn't know them? Enlarging doesn't mean procreating, it can be as easy as having your sibling or friend move in for a while. Idk if couples would make more sense. It might be good to have some experience of raising a child before you get your own.
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