Holy shit, every time I'm reminded of this book and film franchise just everything about it just fills me with absolute white-hot hate. I feel like someone superglued They Live sunglasses to my head; every single person involved in writing, filming and promoting of this filth, and their circle of family and friends, gets cultural revolutioned the moment I find a way to resurrect Mao.

:agony-limitless:

    • steve5487 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Yeah imagine a poor person stuck in a negative relationship for financial reasons watching that scene. Of course the film makers stopped listening and started laughing at "imagine a poor person"

  • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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    I don't even know what this movie is about but even the title inspires :frothingfash: types of rage from me. It just reminds of me of the absolutely, utterly insane classism/blatant racism I've experienced from Asian immigrants in the Bay Area and is part of the reason I fell prey to reactionary ideologies for a bit. Like, I've been told to go back to Mexico by people who weren't even born in the Americas and I've also been told I would make "a good gardener" and all this insane shit. I knew a kid whose dad fought in the South Vietnamese army who was especially bad with this shit.

    I feel like a lot of Asian people (and I'm aware there are a lot of broke ass Asian people in the USA, I'm not talking about them because lo and behold poor people are usually nicer) get really weird with their position in society where they generally earn more than most people but are also kind of a very marginalized group with no real representation. Like, it drives them fucking crazy or something. When I was in middle/high school I would occasionally overhear the Asian kids in AP talking about how they thought Mexicans/blacks/all the minorities usually not stereotyped as "smart" are dumb and smell bad but like, then something happens to them that reminds them they're not white (this is happening a lot especially....) and they kinda like....don't know what to do.

    They're not a monolith, but I've been on the receiving end of some nasty behavior from Crazy Rich Asians so I had to kinda vent lol

    edit: To add, the racial dynamics in the USA are fucking weird. I've seen Asians take MUCH worse abuse because they're stereotyped as weak and submissive whereas if you're bad kind of brown like me people are reluctant to be openly racist to you because they ran the Phrenological Scan in their white man VATS and realized you're probably going to punch them in the fucking mouth (and you will) if they say something stupid but as a whole people hate you more but respect Asian marginally more "because they don't bring crime" (lol) but then they shit on them and and and...

    • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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      get really weird with their position in society where they earn more than most but are also a marginalized group with no real representation. Like, it drives them fucking crazy or something.

      IMO it's a function of "who would want to immigrate here in the first place"

      My dad is a supreme cuck who literally worships Trump and hand-to-mouth believes everything on fox news
      My mom on the other hand, has uttered some of the based-est things I've ever heard offline. On migrants illegally entering Europe: "good, they deserve it, and more"

      US only allows perfect workers to immigrate here. And the most efficient worker is one that ignores social issues, and doesn't think too hard about anything outside of their work. Since the workers are almost all going to be men, it would follow that the men of these families would be more "cucked" or "reactionary" than the women. That's how I rationalize my family at least. Luckily, half my genes come from my mom, and women being SAHM tradwifes came with a happenstance advantage in this case

      But really there are tons of spiritual sellouts in every race, the most sane one is probably Black people in my experience but they exist even there too. Latinos can be just as bad as Asians, with people desperate to be "castizo" or whatever.

    • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      the Asian kids in AP talking about how they thought Mexicans/blacks/all the minorities usually not stereotyped as “smart” are dumb and smell bad

      Was slightly guilty of this in HS, except for the "smell bad" part (that's just weird)

      Part of the reason I got radicalized was because I grew up as an upper bougie kid with a superiority complex, except Indian. When this superiority complex clashed with the mayo mainstream, I changed my worldview

      Our school was 30% Asian/Indian, 80% Asian in the AP classes, so it was almost inevitable that some kind of superiority complex would develop.
      It was particularly so when looking at the East Asian kids. I'm talking 6'3" Korean guys with soap opera looks, getting straight A+s while ALSO being captain of the tennis/volleyball team AND making finalist for the state level music competition and a million other things on top of that. Meanwhile, your Italian friends in the "regular" track would be struggling to pass the class that you aced two years ago. If you went back to the late 2000s and told young-me about "white supremacy" I would literally not even understand what you were talking about--the thought literally never occurred to me.

      One of the things that woke me up, and this happened while I was still in HS, was affirmative action--or more accurately an encounter with how whites perceived affirmative action.
      For background, pretty much everyone knew that there was a penalty for being Asian, and that the "bonus points" hierarchy went something like Native American > Black > Hispanic > White > Asian.

      Once at lunchtime, while talking about college, one of the white kids chimed in and said something to me like "well it won't matter if your grades aren't perfect, you'll still get a boost from being a minority"
      To which I, and all the Asian and Indian kids sitting at the table, viscerally and immediately said "No, wtf are you even talking about?" It was literally like saying that 1 + 1 = fish.

      That was basically my first experience with the "white world", by which I mean a very inertial, persistent, factually dubious, and foreign narrative which is followed by most white people in the country. Also for the record, I later came to realize that there were valid reasons for things like affirmative action (still not for whites relative to Asians though) and that it in fact didn't go anywhere near far enough

  • CliffordBigRedDog [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    the writer of the original novel is a scion of a enormously wealthy banking family in Singapore, his great-grandfather literally founded the first bank in Singapore

  • wombat [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

  • Judge_Juche [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    My extremely lib cousin made us watch this and it was literally torture for me. Like atleast if I watched it with my friends (and not family) I could make gilloutine jokes.

    Like my cousin and I are basically the same people with a very similar upbringing, and I'm always perplexed how she turned into a lib who thinks the people in Crazy Rich Asians is admirable and something to strive for, while I turned into a communist who is utterly disgusted by watching the same thing.

    • steve5487 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      being racistly abused have you tried having insane amounts of wealth. It says something when your movie has a worst take on class and race than Scarface

    • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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      3 years ago

      There are worse fates for models on singaporean epstein's container ship...

      • steve5487 [none/use name]
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        yeah it'd take a lot of money to get on a boat full of rich people to international waters where you're the entertainment. And for obvious reasons you'd want it upfront

        especially as a woman as the worst that would happen to me is being murdered for sport

  • blurssr [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I never understood the quote at the start of the film about China "waking up" the movie has nothing to do with China

    • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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      never saw the movie, but I assume it's a way to have pretend-racial-pride even when the capitalist machinations which do so hurt more Asians at the expense of helping your rich banker self (and a bunch of white bankers), which makes it anti-Asian when all is weighed out.

  • Melon [she/her,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    The obscene demonstrations of wealth in Crazy Rich Asians have a lot of depth. In a mere establishing shot in Singapore, some characters were driving around in a Jeep. Anyone who knows of how life is in Singapore would be aware of just how bizarre and extravagant that is.

    It can't be all that evil. It has to be self-aware. Right? Right....?

    • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      So... here's the thing about CRA- the guy that wrote it only lived in Singapore till he was like 12 or something before his rich family moved to the States. That said, he wrote what he knew, which was about the kind of strange pathologies only the super-rich acquire, and along with that the culture shock of being an immigrant and the struggles on squaring that identity with your original identity back home (altho, obviously this plays less of a role in the book as Joel points out, since the book is more obviously centered around a class based Cinderella story).

      What that means is that the picture he paints of Singapore is really really skewed- for one, it's 30 years out of date, and (as every Singaporean will tell you) Singapore is a lot more diverse than as portrayed in the film. In his defense, he only claims to be writing about the tiny slice of the population in the title (effectively, the 1%) and he does have some kinda/sorta interesting things to say about racism in the follow-up books with some of the secondary characters, but that's obviously not in the movie.

      What the movie is, is a Liberal Immigrant Chinese power-fantasy- of a mythical homeland where Asians aren't the ones oppressed or subject to white power structures, but where they are the ones with all the power. It's a movie about being able to live in two worlds- of being able to inhabit a Western Liberal immigrant identity as a component of global capital, and of being able to use the supposed "superior" qualities of progressive liberalism to seamlessly leverage and transition back into a place of true belonging, to return to the homeland as a beacon of modernity against stodgy Conservatism (as embodied by Michelle Yeoh's character, who really deserved better).

      There was nothing more infuriating than reading the discourse after the movie came out, where a lot of Asian diaspora who were celebrating the film for it's all Asian cast as a landmark cultural moment (and rightly so, I think, even tho such things do ring hollow under neo-liberalism) hijacked leftist terminology to defend/deflect against very real criticism from South East Asians who took umbrage with our portrayal in the movie. Which I think spoke to the underlying reason for the movies existence, and who it's really for- there's a reason the movie opens with a quote about China and it's awakening shaking the world, after all.

    • echognomics [he/him]
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      There are people who are aware about the film's (completely unintentional, I think) subtext, but they aren't the people who made and promoted the film, and they certainly aren't the people who liked the film and the books.

      In the scene immediately after the Jeep scene, they show the male lead character and his friends visiting a hawker centre, to establish how they are just normal people with down-to-earth tastes despite their upper-class backgrounds.

      But even then they can't completely hide their classism, because they just had to make sure that you know that these street hawker stalls are the only ones in the world that earn Michelin stars. Well you KNOW it's good since some European assholes tell you it is to virtue-signal about how their value judgments aren't about solely profits and prestige but about real culinary quality.

      All the while, the male lead and his friends all speak in this super proper plummy Received Pronounciation. Yeah fucker we know you went to Eton and read PPE at Oxford and got called to the nonce bar, you really don't have to keep reminding us.

      Also, most Singaporean hawker food is dogshit designed to scam clueless expats. I once got served a plate of chicken rice with GREEN rice.

      • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Also, most Singaporean hawker food is dogshit designed to scam clueless expats. I once got served a plate of chicken rice with GREEN rice.

        They cooked the rice with pandan leaf. There was nothing wrong with the rice.

        Most hawker's are struggling under increased privatization. https://www.reuters.com/article/singapore-food-socialenterprise-idUKL8N1Z73X1 That characterization is completely detached from reality.

        • echognomics [he/him]
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          They cooked the rice with pandan leaf. There was nothing wrong with the rice.

          The conventional ingredients for chicken rice are chicken fat, ginger and onions. Pandan leaf, as I understand it, is optional for chicken rice and is actually more in the territory of nasi lemak, and even then you'll only get rice with visible green colouration if you literally ground up the pandan leaves and drizzle the extracted juice into the rice (which is not normally done because to get the pandan fragrance in the rice you just need to cook the rice with a few knotted-up pandan leaves in the cooker). Conventional chicken rice is white or golden yellow, even if it's cooked with pandan leaf; it's not normal for chicken rice to have green rice (unless it is some sort of experimental cuisine restaurant, but then I wouldn't know anything about that).

          ***Edit: Also I stand by my position on Singaporean hawker food. In fact, I would expand my statement to say that the entire Singaporean nation state is just a long-term scheme to do anything it takes to extract money from white people who think that other Southeast Asian countries are too dirty / ghetto for their tastes. Due to Singapore's material conditions (small island nation with no capability for agricultural or resource extraction), its government took the route of marketing it as a safe, preferred and sanitised destination for Western capital and tourists, and I don't think that hawker centres being privatised detracts from that.

          • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            you’ll only get rice with visible green colouration if you literally ground up the pandan leaves and drizzle the extracted juice into the rice

            This is extremely common in Malay cooking. If the stall holder was Peranakan or Malay they're probably using the same rice for other dishes. If you want 100% pure chicken stock chicken rice go find a stall with a Michelin star or something.

            ***Edit: Also I stand by my position on Singaporean hawker food. In fact, I would expand my statement to say that the entire Singaporean nation state is just a long-term scheme to do anything it takes to extract money from white people who think that other Souteast Asian countries are too dirty for their tastes.

            Not wrong, but those of us living here on the ground just trying to get by are just as exploited by the capitalists as everyone else is. That's why I'm saying it's not fair to characterize my entire country's food culture so uncharitably. Unless you're some kind of Third Worldist (and if you are, good luck with the revolution I'll gladly face the wall) maybe check that privilege and don't just assume we're all in on the take? Lord knows I don't see a dime of those sweet Western capital tourist bucks I scam out of them in my day job.

            • echognomics [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              This is extremely common in Malay cooking. If the stall holder was Peranakan or Malay they’re probably using the same rice for other dishes.

              Wtf no. It's not common practice in Malay cooking to drizzle pandan leaf juice into rice. The aroma is already fully incorporated into the rice without adding pandan leaf juice. Pandan extract/juice is usually used in Malay cooking for kuih-muih and pastries. I'm really worried about the state of Singaporean food if Singaporean hawkers regularly serve nasi lemak with green rice.

              maybe check that privilege

              Bro, I'm just a humble Malaysian communist netizen carrying out my patriotic duty of dunking on Singaporean food culture. I believe that it was enshrined in the 1965 constitutional amendments that each Malaysian has the fundamental right to cyberbully at least one Singaporean per week, especially if they say something completely ignorant like "Singaporean food culture"?

              • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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                3 years ago

                I shed tears of joy upon observing that part of the holy rivalry shared between the great nations of Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia continues on this very site in cyber-form.

                As a pre-emptive warning, any americanoid, UK-oid, or europeanoid who has read this far must shut the fuck up and remain silent. This is not your fight.

                • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  Marx failed to consider that national food rivalries are the ultimate barrier to true solidarity and internationalism. :soviet-huff:

                • CTHlurker [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  South East Asia takes great pride in their (version) of foods. Any youtube-video of someone cooking their food looks exactly like this comment section. It's honestly amazing, if you have no connection to either place.

              • CliffordBigRedDog [he/him]
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                i never got this wierd singaporean food culture rivalry shit, we were literally the same country until malaysia kicked us out, like how can you be mad of stealing shit when we were the same country

                this country is bullshit, it doesnt really exist

                • echognomics [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  I mean food culture rivalry anywhere is kinda like sports team rivalry. Like the USA didn't invent pizza yet there's New York pizza vs. Chicago deep dish pizza, etc. It's not supposed to make sense, and you're just supposed to pick a side and have fun shitting on all others.

                  However, Malaysian disdain for Singaporean food culture is maybe partially amplified by the brand of Singaporean hawker food culture being better / more widely marketed to Western audiences, leading to dishes common to Singapore and Malaysia being labelled in Western and Singaporean mass media as having "originated" from Singapore, even though the more "original"/"authentic"/"traditional" version of the same dish originated from Penang or KL or wherever.

              • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Bro, I’m just a humble Malaysian communist netizen carrying out my patriotic duty of dunking on Singaporean food culture. I believe that it was enshrined in the 1965 constitutional amendments that each Malaysian has the fundamental right to cyberbully at least one Singaporean per week, especially if they say something completely ignorant like “Singaporean food culture”?

                Ah comrade, my mistake. Carry on then. My response was a kneejerk reply to chauvinist white people talking about things they don't understand, which was what I had you pegged as, but clearly that was my own assumptions talking and I sincerely apologize for coming out so antagonistic.

                Because yah lah, Singaporean food culture is just stolen Malaysian food culture. Like the entire country, basically.

                I’m really worried about the state of Singaporean food if Singaporean hawkers regularly serve nasi lemak with green rice.

                Errr.....

                But seriously tho it's not that rare to get green rice, especially with nasi lemak. I don't think they dye it, it's just the pandan leaf juice getting cooked into the rice.

                • echognomics [he/him]
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                  Malaysians :arm-R: Hating omputehs :arm-L: Singaporeans

                  But seriously tho it’s not that rare to get green rice, especially with nasi lemak. I don’t think they dye it, it’s just the pandan leaf juice getting cooked into the rice.

                  Yeah I don't doubt that green pandan rice exists. Call my taste buds conservative, but I just can't imagine it being served as as part of hawker stall chicken rice / nasi lemak. Was really weirded out that one time years ago when I ordered chicken rice at a Singaporean hawker centre and got what seemed like a green eggs and ham interpretation of it.

                    • echognomics [he/him]
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                      3 years ago

                      "Omputeh" is Malay language contraction / slang for "orang putih / orang puteh", literally meaning white person.

          • signeduptocomment [comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            Singaporean nation state is just a long-term scheme to do anything it takes to extract money from white people who think that other Southeast Asian countries are too dirty / ghetto for their tastes

            Lol. You just went backpacking through Southeast Asia and wound up in Singapore without realizing it's more expensive. Asia does not exist for the benefit of westerners.

      • signeduptocomment [comrade/them]
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        Also, most Singaporean hawker food is dogshit designed to scam clueless expats.

        Every HDB complex has its own hawker centre FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE BUILDING. The hawker centres in Singapore were literally built by the government to better serve communities by getting all the food carts off the streets. The food isn't dogshit either, it's fucking fantastic. YOU may have gone to a shitty tourist restaurant, but that's on you.

        And yeah, green pandan rice is real and I guarantee you just ordered the wrong thing. I think you just went to a country you know nothing about, had a bad time and made a lot of uninformed judgments.

        Admit you are ignorant. It's easier.

        • echognomics [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          You signed up just to comment this, and to accuse me of being a backpacking westerner? Singaporean kiasu mentality at its finest. I thought Singapore has a meritocracy? :michael-laugh:

          • signeduptocomment [comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            Man, I just go to Singapore for work. I don't give a fuck about the place. I've been to Malaysia way more times and it's a total dump by comparison. Have fun walking around with your religion on your ID card and discriminating against non-Malays, dipshit.

            • echognomics [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Lol you think just because I make fun of Singaporean hawker food I'm a Malaysian nationalist? :lenin-laugh:

              • signeduptocomment [comrade/them]
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                3 years ago

                I think you're jealous Singapore manages to have good food AND usable sidewalks without cops who regularly show up at bars to arrest all the Muslims

  • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I mean, it deliberately induced the most cringe I've felt in a very long time, and that takes writing talent.

  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I am sad that the chuds didn't go crazy over this. Let the chuds fight capitalism over race for a change.