The fact that we know people can have different reactions to tastes (like cilantro, the fact that mental state and what you’ve eaten or drank recently can effect your senses, and other stuff) kinda makes me wonder if it’s a weird conclusion that each person could possibly recognize an “objective” taste profile of something with their subjective senses and experiences
Like at best youre randomly similar to an equally subjective experience that just happened to be lionized and enshrined in some standard perception.
Plus, either way, they’ve done tons of studies on wine experts and fooled them with cheap wine like a bajillion times.
It’s really about picking something arbitrary that you can be good at that other people can’t be and patting yourself on the back for clearing your imaginary goal
The fact that we know people can have different reactions to tastes (like cilantro, the fact that mental state and what you’ve eaten or drank recently can effect your senses, and other stuff) kinda makes me wonder if it’s a weird conclusion that each person could possibly recognize an “objective” taste profile of something with their subjective senses and experiences
Like at best your randomly similar to an equally subjective experience that just happened to be lionized and enshrined in some standard perception.
Aesthetics (as in, the philosophical discipline) has some really cool takes on the subject, and it is still a matter of debate. Not to mention the idea of criticism or expertise having any actual weight when it comes to for example art or music. I am an absolute nerd about food and philosophy, so i have gone down that rabbithole.
Taste is pretty cool because it is both largely socially constructed and not completely physiological. It actually involves a whole bunch of other things, and ecological theory of perception opens the door to ways of understanding taste and appreciation that kinda blow your mind when you read and kinda take them in. It pretty much does away with the whole idea of objectivity, but it doesn't just shrug and say "well shit, everything is subjective now". I keep teasing that i'll make effortposts about my dissertation research, which is related to this stuff. Once i'm done with it i'll try to do that.
That’s interesting. I haven’t done near that much reading on it, I just know peoples perceptions of things are highly subjective so based it on that. I always kind of distrust institutions about these kinds of things bc they have a way of dogmatizing shit and eschewing evidence that contradicts it.
It’s hard to imagine really ever knowing for sure a random consensus from ‘elites’ or whoever is gatekeeping is correct when we can’t know for certain how others actually are experiencing things. I imagine this is one of those things that people have been arguing about for eons and will continue to argue about as things change.
But I’ll defer to you on it bc I really only have a light understanding of tangential things to it lol
:wojak-nooo: nooo you have to drink this extremely expensive wine and describe the chocolate or nut or whatever notes it has while drinking
:gigachad: ha ha 10 buck box wine go brr
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The fact that we know people can have different reactions to tastes (like cilantro, the fact that mental state and what you’ve eaten or drank recently can effect your senses, and other stuff) kinda makes me wonder if it’s a weird conclusion that each person could possibly recognize an “objective” taste profile of something with their subjective senses and experiences
Like at best youre randomly similar to an equally subjective experience that just happened to be lionized and enshrined in some standard perception.
Plus, either way, they’ve done tons of studies on wine experts and fooled them with cheap wine like a bajillion times.
It’s really about picking something arbitrary that you can be good at that other people can’t be and patting yourself on the back for clearing your imaginary goal
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Ah yes mistaking consensus for truth, the hallmark of liberals lol
Not to be a debate bro but, What a convincing argument Lmao
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Aesthetics (as in, the philosophical discipline) has some really cool takes on the subject, and it is still a matter of debate. Not to mention the idea of criticism or expertise having any actual weight when it comes to for example art or music. I am an absolute nerd about food and philosophy, so i have gone down that rabbithole.
Taste is pretty cool because it is both largely socially constructed and not completely physiological. It actually involves a whole bunch of other things, and ecological theory of perception opens the door to ways of understanding taste and appreciation that kinda blow your mind when you read and kinda take them in. It pretty much does away with the whole idea of objectivity, but it doesn't just shrug and say "well shit, everything is subjective now". I keep teasing that i'll make effortposts about my dissertation research, which is related to this stuff. Once i'm done with it i'll try to do that.
That’s interesting. I haven’t done near that much reading on it, I just know peoples perceptions of things are highly subjective so based it on that. I always kind of distrust institutions about these kinds of things bc they have a way of dogmatizing shit and eschewing evidence that contradicts it.
It’s hard to imagine really ever knowing for sure a random consensus from ‘elites’ or whoever is gatekeeping is correct when we can’t know for certain how others actually are experiencing things. I imagine this is one of those things that people have been arguing about for eons and will continue to argue about as things change.
But I’ll defer to you on it bc I really only have a light understanding of tangential things to it lol
no other food stuff is treated as being objectively correct
Kid who reviews Fruit by the Loop with Good/Bad/Yucky please start tasting wine.
You heard it hear folks another yucky. Wine objectively sucks shit
The Space Bag is the only true way to drink wine.