I get this is the silliest thing to be concerned about right now with everything going on, but it does feel like the hawks scored a point here in the market place of ideas. Trying to add any context to the shitty situation in Eastern Europe is gonna come off as Putin apologia. I feel like it used to be a bit easier to pill Libs on being anti-war by putting to the USs fuck. But now that a country the hawks hated did a thing they predicted he’d do, well…

  • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Its already been a nightmare trying to give any level of context to the Ukraine situation to my liberal friends, even when they ask what’s going on.
    I’ve had this conversation multiple times:

    Here are the historical reasons and conditions that have led to this and why it isn’t as black and white as “Putin bad”

    So you support Putin?

    :monke-beepboop: No, literally every side involved in this sucks, I’m just saying it’s more complicated than “Mean man invade country”

    So you support Putin?

    And this is from people who will vocally acknowledge that the United States is evil

    • culpritus [any]
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      3 years ago

      calling it a capitalist war might be a shorthand way to make this point without getting the Putin simp label, not sure how well that works in practice though

    • Omega_Haxors [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Those who are really good at identifying fascism on the other side, while being completely blind to their own. Can't help but think it's projection.

      • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        What’s super weird is most of them would and do call the US fascist or fascist adjacent, but then they’ll believe every line out of the US state department. It’s baffling.

        • Omega_Haxors [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          It's one thing to buy into the state department, it's another to actively get angry at and attack/ban anyone pointing out that the state department is a fascist institution.